Self defense?

[Chris79]

that's what you dont understand, you can't pick and choose which orders to follow.  if they're allowed to stay that send a signal that it's OK to refuse orders, that's what weakens the country.


semp

Meh I think the whole just following orders thing fell out of favor a while back.

[Busher]

Meh I think the whole just following orders thing fell out of favor a while back.

Really? If that's so, can we just disband the military and send them all home? $900B off the budget helps.

[Chris79]

 

Really? If that's so, can we just disband the military and send them all home? $900B off the budget helps.

[rabbidrabbit]

The vast majority of the so called communist/socialist/anti-fa ect in the US would not last a week in a Soviet style state. They have no skill and tend to run their mouths. It’s a perfect combination to create professional wood choppers in Siberia. In all honestly I have absolutely no idea what their end game is. They seem almost to be agents of chaos futility attempting to satisfy some void in their selves by wantonly grasping what ever non-sense that happens to give them self gratification.

Antifa is a loose conglomerate of socialists and anarchists.   They don't see eye to eye but the socialists need the chaos and degradation of society that the Anarchists add.  The Anarchists generally believe that if they can tear down this society and more just society will rise from the ashes naturally.  The Socialists  believe the Anarchists make good fodder and forward the cause of undermining society so they can seize power.  Within the Socialists there are a number of factions who work together for the same reasons.  Even though they would gladly kill each other as much as the "fascists", fascists being anyone who is not them, they kind of need the numbers of different Socialists factions and Anarchist now. 

Pretty much like the international Socialist and the nationalist Socialists / Fascists worked together in the late 1920's and only turned on each other once the Nazis seized power from the other Socialists in Germany.

[zack1234]

I could stop these so called radicals in a heart beat

I would block their internet access

They would cry like babies

Its like people on AH crying about cartoon land.

Reality will always prevail

These’s clowns live’s are based on the non real internet.

[Busher]

Antifa is a loose conglomerate of socialists and anarchists.   They don't see eye to eye but the socialists need the chaos and degradation of society that the Anarchists add.  The Anarchists generally believe that if they can tear down this society and more just society will rise from the ashes naturally.  The Socialists  believe the Anarchists make good fodder and forward the cause of undermining society so they can seize power.  Within the Socialists there are a number of factions who work together for the same reasons.  Even though they would gladly kill each other as much as the "fascists", fascists being anyone who is not them, they kind of need the numbers of different Socialists factions and Anarchist now. 

Pretty much like the international Socialist and the nationalist Socialists / Fascists worked together in the late 1920's and only turned on each other once the Nazis seized power from the other Socialists in Germany.

Quite interesting to me that you can pigeon-hole others without having a conversation with any of them. Apparently, you really aren't interested in anyone's grievances (unless they align with your grievances, maybe?)

This reeks of the same issues the Brits had during "the Troubles" in Northern Ireland and trying to solve that situation by force worked really well didn't it.

Oh and by the way, there are a lot socialist democracies in the world where the people seem to live happy productive lives.... ask any Swede or Canadian you might know.

[rabbidrabbit]

Quite interesting to me that you can pigeon-hole others without having a conversation with any of them. Apparently, you really aren't interested in anyone's grievances (unless they align with your grievances, maybe?)

This reeks of the same issues the Brits had during "the Troubles" in Northern Ireland and trying to solve that situation by force worked really well didn't it.

Oh and by the way, there are a lot socialist democracies in the world where the people seem to live happy productive lives.... ask any Swede or Canadian you might know.

My opinion is based on reading a lot of their stuff and listening to those whose job it is to understand them.  Antifa is clear about it's goals and their goals have nothing to do with the "social democrats" or Sweden or Canada. 

[Guppy35]

Misguided? Even a blind man can see whats going on. What's insulting is watching 10k good marines lose their careers over this BS mandate. Only a communist would think that's "better" for America.

I take it you know no one who went through the Polio epidemic back in the late 40s early 50s? 

[Guppy35]

There is another story where a man and his daughter, who is younger than the 17 year old you are talking about, took to the streets carrying their rifles to protect a group of about 75 people that were protesting. No one had a problem with them doing that and they are black.

My kid would not be walking around all those criminals breaking the law. Folks who let their kids go and destroy property need to understand that there are also folks who will let their kids go and protect it. The safest bet is to not break the law. Don't destroy other people's property.

I think the whole issue is when folks try to make everything about color instead of people. All three folks shot by the 17 year old were not people of color. They were just people who decided to chase the kid down and attack him. Questionable behavior for any intelligent individual.... more so when they all knew he was armed. Of course these are the same folks destroying public property and other people's personal property... they were obviously not too bright to start with.

Just my 2 cents.

Shuff,  Hope you are having a great Thanksgiving.  I saw the image of those two also.   I'm just as angry about that.  That being said, it's a direct result of the Rittenhouse case.  The door has been opened now for just about anyone to carry an AR on the street.  Gun sales will rise, and profits increase as both sides of the line will now arm up to 'protect' themselves.  And at some point it will lead to a big gunfight between people both claiming self defense.  The Rittenhouse is a hero side can't raise a fuss about the black father and daughter carrying ARs for the same reason Rittenhouse says he was.  I think that parent is just as idiotic as Rittenhouse's parents for allowing their kids to be in such a situation.

But the ball is rolling now, and the basement commandos on both sides will be out in force to prove they are tough and have their favorite toy to prove it.  Meanwhile gun sales and ammo sales will skyrocket as now both sides will want guns and any accessories to make them feel like they are tactical.  It happens in waves all the time now and I'd bet the house the NRA folks and gun manufacturers are laughing all the way to the bank.  To them this is even better than having a Democrat as president, the usual increase in prices and sales time for anything gun related.  No doubt you've seen what I'm talking about first hand just like I have in the years since I got my first SP1 in 79.  I ended up on a ton of mailing lists related to ARs when I was trying to build one to the same as I had my favorite that I sold after Andrew died.   The advertising is playing into all of this pushing ammo and weapons.   Anyone who can't see it is blind.  And as I said, Rittenhouse being seen as a 2nd Amendment hero will only increase the cost for everyone else who now wants to be like him.

But again, the thing I am the angriest about is a 17 year old kid getting the green light to wander around with an AR and a parent who would allow it.

[Busher]

My opinion is based on reading a lot of their stuff and listening to those whose job it is to understand them.  Antifa is clear about it's goals and their goals have nothing to do with the "social democrats" or Sweden or Canada.

All I know about Antifa  is that it is a far-left, anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States. As a highly decentralized array of autonomous groups. Antifa uses both nonviolent and violent direct action to achieve its aims rather than using policy reform and as I suggested in my previous post, using violence in any debate will only lead to more violence.

[rabbidrabbit]

For the sake of clarity, Fascist as defined by Antifa, is anyone who is not one of them. 

[Busher]

For the sake of clarity, Fascist as defined by Antifa, is anyone who is not one of them.

Always seems to come down to "us" and "them" doesn't it; and in some way we (us) seem to perceive some threat from them.

[The Fugitive]

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But again, the thing I am the angriest about is a 17 year old kid getting the green light to wander around with an AR and a parent who would allow it.

I hear what your saying Guppy, but it all depends on where you were brought up, and how.

It seems this 17 year old was brought up to respect others and protect them and so he went out to HELP. That is the key he he was taught that way and responded that way and his parents believed it was the right thing to do even if it put their son in harms way to do it.

Here in New England I dont mess with guns, nor did I teach my sons about guns. I didnt teach them to stand up for others, but I did teach them to stand up for themselves. So if this had happened here my sons would have stayed home because it wasn't their fight.

In Chicago it would have been a whole different story, as it would have been in Kansas. Kids are brought up differently in the city, vs the suburbs, vs the country of the same state let alone across the country.

[Brooke]

Oh and by the way, there are a lot socialist democracies in the world where the people seem to live happy productive lives.... ask any Swede or Canadian you might know.

Because of Orwellian muddying of definitions, there are lots of people who don't know that there is a difference between:

-- Democratic socialism.  A subset of socialism (government ownership and control of production, no private companies, no open markets, no capitalism), and
-- Social democracy.  Capitalist, with open markets and private ownership of companies, with higher taxes and welfare.

Socialist:  North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba.  (Or democratic socialist if they have elections.)

Not socialist:  Sweden, Canada.  They are capitalist, with open markets and private ownership of companies.  Their governments don't own and control all the steel mills, shoe factories, farms, etc.  The largest political party in Sweden is called the "Swedish Social Democratic Party".  They are market economies with higher taxes to fund welfare.

Same for other Nordic countries, such as Denmark.  "In 2015, Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen told Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, “I know that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore, I would like to make one thing clear: Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.””

There are certainly some people in favor of actual socialism (despite its history of horrendous failure and human tragedy).  I suspect that there are lots more people who think they are in favor of socialism, but they are in fact in favor of nearly the opposite:  social democracy (market economies with higher taxes and more welfare).

[zack1234]

All I know about Antifa  is that it is a far-left, anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States. As a highly decentralized array of autonomous groups. Antifa uses both nonviolent and violent direct action to achieve its aims rather than using policy reform and as I suggested in my previous post, using violence in any debate will only lead to more violence.

Go watch CNN

You should be ashamed of yourself

Read a book not fantastic hero’s a history book

No wonder China and Russia despise you people

They ARE fascist in their behaviour

I am reading AJP Taylor Origins of the Second World War a book made out of paper with words in it

What was the last book you actually read ? How to virtue signal in the non facebook world