Russians & IJN/IJA factories on strike. how much longer??

[Citabria]

Fighters:

Luftwaffe
1. Fw190A-8
2. Bf109f-4
3. Bf109G-2
4. Bf109G-6
5. Bf109G-10

USAAF/USN
1. P-38L
2. P-51D
3. F4U-1C
4. F4U-1D

RAF
1. Spitfire IX
2. Spitfire V
3. Typhoon

Italy
1. C.202
2. C.205

Russia
1. La-5FN

IJN/IJA
1. N1K2-J


Bombers:

USAAF
1. B-17G
2. B-26B
3. C-47A

Vehicles:

U.S.
1. M-16

Germany
1. Panzer IV Type H

I for one would love to see one day in AH
A6m5a
Ki44
Ki61
Yak 9
Lagg 3
Mig 3
IL-2

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"There are no born fighter pilots. Some are a little better than others, thats about it. But I would say time, training, training, training and more training are the key... to any success."  -Francis Gabreski

Citabria
=357th Pony Express=

[Hristo]

Competitive Fighters:

    Luftwaffe
    1. Bf109G-10

    USAAF/USN
    1. P-38L
    2. P-51D
    3. F4U-1C
             

    RAF
    1. Spitfire IX
    2. Typhoon

    Italy
    1. C.205 (so so)

    Russia
    1. La-5FN

    IJN/IJA
    1. N1K2-J


       
         

[Citabria]

hey!

stop hijacking my topic!

darn luftwabbles  

[Vermillion]

Preach on brother Citabria , Preach ON!!!

Didn't the Russians produce more aircraft than any other single nation of the war (will have to check myself)?

And I would hardly call the Japanese a minor participant either.

Russians Preferences: Yak-9U, Yak-3(vk107), and La7
Japanese Preferences: Ki-84, Ki-44, Ki-100

Come on Pyro, we have Enough American and German Fighters for a while.

Hristo, if you consider the La5fn competitive in this arena, I challenge you to fly in soley for a tour and then compare it to your normal tours you fly in your G10. Plus the Fw190A8 is just as competitive as the F4U series, in fact they fly very similarly.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[gatt]

I second that, we need a new Japanese fighter. I dont think that the Zeke 5 will be a good choice, with all these hight-alt monsters we have now in the arena. The Zeke 5 is slow.
Was there a good high alt interceptor in the Japanese Army or Naval Forces? Maybe the Ki84? Or those fighters with B-29 interception duty? Can someone help me?

And yes, we need also a new Russian a/c, like a Yak-3 or a La7. Definitely.

[MANDOBLE]

Hristo, almost agree with your list but ...
... If we consider competitive fighters those caplable of buff hunting, we should erase 109G10 and P51D, and write a line for the 190A8.
Having used 109G10 for a while, it lacks of control at high speeds, and actually most of the low level combats are avobe 250 mph. Its weaponry is weak and the gondolas add too much drag and roll inertia. This plane is competitive to scape but getting victories quickly with it is a hard task. So, at least, germans have only two semi-competitive planes.

[Hristo]

My best score was in 190A-8, some 216 kills vs 16 deaths or so. However, only due to vulching and very careful flying. Very very hard to win from co-E position.

As for flying La, no chance. It just has wrong markings. If I would have to choose plane, no matter for what side it flew, I'd choose P 51D.

As it is now, I'd trade all LW planes except G-10 for the Dora. Then again, I'd trade all of them for 262  

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[Citabria]

I'd like to see things that fit into the planeset and add variety while still being competitive.

Ki61 would be a great addition as it was the only japanese fighter capable of intercepting the B-29s. and it had cannons  

A6m5a is fast as a zero can get and climbed like angel so at low altitude where the fights are now with new strat, bombsight and vehicles n jabo it would be able to compete with the spifire IX quite well  

I always disliked the idea of a Ki84 because in real life it was a total lemon and actuall performed worse than the Ki44. but in the sim you would either have to make it perform below the western numbers to accurately reflect its combat performance or make it a total uber ride it is in warbirds.

LA7 would be good too but I believe its only feature was 10mph increase in speed while increase in weight from all metal body making it less of a nimble dogfighter?

yak9 would be better fit but yak 3 seems like it would hurt the variety in the planeset since it holds all the cards up to 20k feet much the same way the spit XIV does through all altitudes (I hate both these planes because of that)

I always wanted to see how the russian I-16 rat stacked up in AH with its turn on dime ability (they still fly in RL too! )

but just philosiphizing i guess I'll shutup now    


[This message has been edited by Citabria (edited 04-13-2000).]

[Minotaur]

Hristo,

Exactly what is "not competitive"?

Basically in the MA if it has cannon it is competive.  These numbers were from yesterday.

 

By Minotaur:
I have to admit that maybe the game needs another fast cannon equiped bird. Other ones of note that are doing well in Tour3.
K/D --> Plane
1.94 --> F4U-1C
1.54 --> 109G-10
1.34 --> 109G-2
1.24 --> 190A-8
1.20 --> C.205
1.17 --> N1K2

0.95 --> P-38L
0.94 --> 109G-6
0.85 --> La-5FN

The only non-cannon plane above a K/D of 1 was the P51-D at 1.01 for Tour3.

I did not include the Spits, due to piont defense and vulching prior to the new version.

It appears as though the La-5FN or the 109G-2 is not flown widely. The K/D numbers were fairly low.

The Typhoon has not made it onto the "Scores" data base yet, that is why it is omitted.

BTW who stopped flying the 109G-6, the K/D is below 1 now?

Bring it on!  (Image removed from quote.)

IMO, any variation in the plane set is good and the Russian or Japanese planes should certainly be welcomed.

Good Day!  

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

[DoctorYO]

I must disagree with those who say that the LA5 is not competitive....


This plane is awesome...  Only drawback i find is fuel load...  Yes at  above 8000' your manofold wont go over 42, but even with that this plane still proforms well under 20k...


This plane dives with the best of them... this allows me to sucker would be pilots into following me into this low angle energy dive into my prefered killing zone of 8k or less...

at that alt i'll tango with anyfighter 1 vs 1 and most 1 vs 2 due to the extreme accel of the engine on the LA5... only the 109g10 comes close so i can fly circles around any other plane... against a g10 i have slower stall speed or at least more stable near stall handling.. very useful in killing them...

2 20mm is a excellent load out...  when i get hits i know i do dammage unlike the 109 which sometimes only the mg tag them and they fly away...  Now on snapshots the slow ROF of the russian 20mm is noticable but not too bad in my opinion.

I would also like to point out that a well flown g6 is as dangerous if not more so than a g10... why? the g6 really handles nice. great climb and top speed of about 350mph (needed for arena survival) and most important very stable...


Only planes i would not prefer in gerneral arena are the 202 and 109f and spit5... not to say these planes are not effective in the 1 vs 1 but we all know this is gangbang high so with that in mind escape speed is crucial.

Anyplane that has a topspeed of 325 or more will be most effective. the faster the better... Mustang is by far the best for K/D, i have had a perfect record in it.. now as far as my recent stints in JABO those have been my only deaths.


just my 2 cents


DoctorYO

[leonid]

I agree with DoctorYo on the La-5FN, and frankly, I feel that many people try to fight with it too high.  The best overall alt range for combat in a La-5FN is around 10-13k, but it turns into a real killing monster from 7k, down, when WEP kicks in.  I've never had trouble with the two 20mm ShVAKs.  All I need is a solid 3-5 pings from them to bring a fighter down.

Citabria, regarding your comment on the La-7, it basically housed the same engine as the La-5FN yet was around 190kg(418lbs) lighter, and was also aerodynamically refined, unlike the La-5.  Also, the three 20mm B-20 loadout of the La-7, including ammunition, was actually lighter than the two 20mm ShVAK loadout with full ammunition that was the norm in the La-5FN.  Also, the La-7 was still primarily wood construction with duraluminum wing spars (la-5 had wooden wing spars).

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leonid, Komandir
5 GIAP VVS RKKA

"Our cause is just.  The enemy will be crushed.  Victory will be ours."

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[easymo]

KI84 with stop the 1c whines.

[Ghosth]

KI-61 (2 20mm cannon version)can do the 4.50's as a variant later.

KI-45 Nick This one is born for AH. Never been seen in a recent Sim that I'm aware of.

KI-84 YEP it's a bad boy. Bring the P51's, the 190's & the F4u's into line. (also my all time fav 262 killing machine)

Also

J2M3 Raiden (Thunderbolt)

Armament 4 wing mounted 20mm type 99 model 2 cannons.
2 60kg bombs or 2 200 litre drop tanks.

Powerplant 1 Mitsubishi MK4R 14 cyl radial rated at 1,800 hp takeoff. 1,575 at 1,800 meters, and 1,410 at 4,800 meters driveing a 4 blade constant speed metal prop. (Data given is for the J2M3)

Max speed 317kt at 5,300 m
Climb to 6,000 Meters in 6 min 14 secs.

Aprox 260 J2M3 built with at total of 476 for all variants.

Allocated to the 302nd,332nd,352, 381st, Genzan, & Tainan Kokutais. http://www.skypoint.com/members/jbp/ijna/j2m.htm


VERY long term wishlist, A6M2-N (Essentially a Zero on floats)
H8K "Emily" flying Boat
H6k "Mavis" Flying Boat

OK call me a dreamer, but if anyone can do it HiTech & Pyro can!

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Maj Ghosth
XO 332nd Flying Mongrels

[Ripsnort]

If you have any doubts about LA-5, check my score in LA-5 in tour 1 and tour 2...I am just an average pilot.  The LA-5 is indeed a fine aircraft.

This time next  year, I'll bet the planeset is double what it is now.

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[Fishu]

Minotaur,
death/kill ratios are bullcrap, when you do guys learn that?

You can as well see Spitfire lose its ratio alot when it is being used on base defence alot (vulch vulch vulch, easy kills)
and so on...
If you wan't to make real death/kill ratio sort of "the best plane ever" table, you should do research on each plane, not just look "hey, look how that has score 1:10 and flown couple times, but that other has flown 10000 times and has 1:1!"
Add equal pilot on each plane, then begin doing your research what is best plane..

What I think, is that luftwaffe needs better planes against these late war stuffs..
They're missing stuff like 190D or Ta-152, but allies are not missing anything (P-38L, P-51D.....)
japs has their N1K2 what was rarely built!
even Italians have C.205 and C.202...
But germans only have their most built ones.
Wonder they haven't done Spitfrie XIV yet.