Author Topic: Axis need a heavy bomber... (Read 1805 times)

DingHao2 · « **on:** July 23, 2001, 12:13:00 PM »

Ju-388 or 288 anyone? Im not an expert on japanese or italian planes.

Staga · « **Reply #1 on:** July 23, 2001, 12:29:00 PM »

He-177 "Greif" or maybe Do-217. Ju-290 could be nice too with bigger load than B-17.

Staga · « **Reply #2 on:** July 23, 2001, 12:37:00 PM »

btw some Ju-290 "SeeAdlers" got 9*20mm + one 13mm gun for defensive armament.
Some got 5*MG151/20mm and 6*MG131 13mm.

Hmm Ju-290 would propably be too good plane. Or if it comes its propably armed with 7,92mm mg's.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #3 on:** July 23, 2001, 12:52:00 PM »

Do-217 E-2

max speed: 311MPH
Service Ceiling: ~20,000ft
Minimum bombload: 8818lb, or Torpedo internally (no idea what max bomb load out is)
Armament: Upper&Lower Rear Guns- 13mm MG131,
Dorsal Gun EDL131 electrically driven turret, Front guns- 1 fixed MG141/15 and in the E3 version a hand aimed 20mm MG FF for attacks on ships. Usually two beam firing MG15s. Some aircraft had twin MG81s firing aft fromt he tailcone.

Problematic airplane though: It tried to swing on take-off, and in cruising flight tended to oscillate about all axes, especially in yaw, even after the slats had been added along the inner edges of the fins.

Would you still want it after reading those problems?
-SW

Nefarious · « **Reply #4 on:** July 23, 2001, 01:01:00 PM »

Id be happy with He111H

DingHao2 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 23, 2001, 01:36:00 PM »

HE-111H was a medium bomber i think...but we need a hvy one like a Do-217 or Ju-290 or Ju-388 to kick them rook butt.

bigUC · « **Reply #6 on:** July 23, 2001, 01:41:00 PM »

Anoyone got any operational numbers on these? (production numbers, service numbers and dates/year when entering service?)

Really would like to see the He-177 or the Ju-288 but not anything that didn't see action

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #7 on:** July 23, 2001, 01:49:00 PM »

He-177:
Arado built 130 A-1s, followed by 170 Heinkel-built A-3s and 826 A-5s with repositioned engines and longer fuselages.

About 700 served on the Eastern Front, many having 50mm and 75mm guns for tank busting.

Ju288:

22 built. 17 crashed, but a few were thrown into battle in mid-1944 armed with 5cm BK 5 guns.

-SW

[ 07-23-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #8 on:** July 23, 2001, 01:51:00 PM »

He177 had around 1000 made. It was used a lot, and apparently (which surprised me because one always hears it sucked) was rather well liked by the crews who did mostly night bombing and anti-ship work.

Id say a He177 would be a good German Heavy bomber to do in AH, as its certaily the only represntative heavy "bomber" they had, the Fw200 Condor doesn't really count.

As for other axis bombers I know of the Piaggio P108, and some of the larger twin engined Japanese bombers. However the P108 had only 36 units made and the Japanse planes were too light to be heavies.

I dont see the big flying boat thing as really a "bomber", so it seems the He177 would be best.

It has various 20mm cannon and 13mm MG as defense, has good bombload, should have guided missles in AH, looks great and has many possible camo schemes!

Cant go wrong with the He177 in AH!

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #9 on:** July 23, 2001, 02:03:00 PM »

Did the Germans have any late war heavy bombers? If so.. what did they use them on?

For some reason, heavy bomber and LW just doesn't seem to fit. I just get more of an impression of fast attack scenarios... not many involving large bombers.

AKDejaVu

DingHao2 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2001, 02:03:00 PM »

yep, grun...

AN · « **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2001, 02:10:00 PM »

SWulfe:
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Would you still want it (Do217) after reading those problems?
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It's got my vote!

Along with a Boston, a Hurricane (IIc), and a Mustang I to fill out a Dieppe planeset

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anRky

Thunder · « **Reply #12 on:** July 23, 2001, 02:14:00 PM »

I agree GRUNHERZ the He177 would be a good addition to the Heavy Bombers.

(Heinkel He 177A-5/R2 Greif "Griffon")

Click Here for more info on the He177

Thunder

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Vruth · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2001, 02:16:00 PM »

Bombers and their loadouts:

He-111: 5,510 lbs or two LT 950 Torpedos
He-177: 13,225 lbs
Do-217: 8,800 lbs
Ju-290: 19,000 lbs

Non-Axis heavies:
B-24: 8,000 lbs
B-29: 20,000 lbs

Of course, you would have to perk the hell out of the B-29...

V.

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bigUC · « **Reply #14 on:** July 23, 2001, 02:41:00 PM »

Thx for digging up the info. He 177 it is!!!