Author Topic: Axis need a heavy bomber... (Read 1645 times)

Staga · « **Reply #30 on:** July 24, 2001, 11:20:00 AM »

Axis already have a early-war bomber.
Maybe its time to have a middle- or late-war bomber.

Without need to use perkpoints.

Staga · « **Reply #31 on:** July 24, 2001, 11:26:00 AM »

Somehow I think some ppl would be pleased to see Axis to get a Stuka instead something which could survive better in MA.

Dowd are you still running 20%Axis/80%Allies snapshots ?

Karnak · « **Reply #32 on:** July 24, 2001, 12:14:00 PM »

SirLoin,

Total production of the He177 was about 895.

He177A-0: 30 Pre-production aircraft.
He177A-1: 130
He177A-3: 170
He177A-5: 565

Production was halted in October, 1944.

Staga · « **Reply #33 on:** July 24, 2001, 12:46:00 PM »

WBRG got these numbers in their site:

Production:
8 Prototypes
35 He 177A-0 (Mainly Arado built)
130 He 177A-1 (Arado built)
170 He 177A-3 (Heinkel Built)
826 He 177A-5

Dunno which one is right.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #34 on:** July 24, 2001, 01:01:00 PM »

Some of the numbers conflict and some don't Karnak and Staga.. I posted some numbers for the He-177 a bit up the page. My numbers seem to match Staga's... Did you get those numbers from the book "Hitler's Luftwaffe"?
-SW

Karnak · « **Reply #35 on:** July 24, 2001, 01:06:00 PM »

Either way, it was clearly produced in number, with the He177A-5 being the major version.

He177A-5/R2

Powerplant: Daimler-Benz DB 610A-1 (port) and B-1 (starboard) 24-cylinder liquid-cooled engines, each rated at 2200 kW (2,950 hp) for take-off.
Dimensions: wing span 31.44 m (103 ft 1 in); length 22.00 m (72 ft 1 in); height 6.39 m (21 ft); wing area 102 m² (1,098 sq ft)
Weights: empty equipped 16800 kg (37,037 lb); maximum take-off 31000 kg (68,342 lb)
Performance: maximum speed 488 km/h (303 mph) at 6100 m (20,000 ft); maximum range 5500 km (3,417 miles) with two Hs 293A; service ceiling 8000 m (26,246 ft); time to 3050 m (10,000 ft) 10 minutes
Armament: one 7.9mm MG 81J machine gun in glazed nose; one 20mm MG 151/20 in front ventral gondola; two 7.9mm MG 81 machine guns in rear ventral gondola; two 13mm MG 131 in dorsal barbette; one 13mm MG 131 in dorsal turret; one MG 151/20 in tail; internal weapons bay for 16 SC 50 bombs or four SC 250 or two SC 500; external pylons for two LMA III parachute sea mines, LT torpedoes' Henschel Hs 293A or FX 1400 Fritz X missiles

Staga · « **Reply #36 on:** July 24, 2001, 01:28:00 PM »

I got some nice pics, I'll post 'em when I'm at home.

One thing looks strange:
Most sites say internal load was only about 2200lb while its overall capacity was over 13000lb. So it was carrying +10000lb under wings and fuselage ?
Any info what kind of bombs it could carry in wing hardpoints or were they only for guided missiles?

SW those manufacturing numbers are from warbirdsresourcegroup

Staga · « **Reply #37 on:** July 24, 2001, 01:47:00 PM »

Hmm "Fritz X" weighted about 1650kg (1400kg bomb) so if it was carrying three of those guided bombs its over 10000lb but then it couldn't carry internal load.

lazs1 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 24, 2001, 02:05:00 PM »

staga... first of all you have no idea of how I like to play AH and even if you did.... What the hell does that have to do with what I said.

What i said is still true... THERE ARE NO FRIGGIN TARGETS FOR THE BOMBERS WE ALLREADY HAVE. You want em for scenarios? How ya gonna keep em out of the main where their (all bombers) effect is at best lopsided and at worst the total destution of any other type of gameplay.

We got too many guys who fly the damn things now even tho they know they are just being a pain. You wanna add to that??

Wouldn't it be better to work on making the bombers more realistic and purposeful without making em so adversarial to fighter guys?
lazs

Staga · « **Reply #39 on:** July 24, 2001, 02:39:00 PM »

AFAIK there are Cities, ammo-factories, Camps for troops, refineries, vehicle- , bomber and fighter-hangars, fuel and ammo-storages etc. I don't know what you're talking about?
Guess we're playing different game

Anyway here's couple pics:

and

Pics were taken when American fighter-bombers were attacking againts base.

Staga · « **Reply #40 on:** July 24, 2001, 02:42:00 PM »

Guess those pics kinda proof that He-177 saw action

Dowding · « **Reply #41 on:** July 24, 2001, 03:21:00 PM »

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Dowd are you still running 20%Axis/80%Allies snapshots ?

Care to point out when this has ever been the case?

No, I didn't think so.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #42 on:** July 24, 2001, 03:44:00 PM »

It just seems that the Axis "need" more medium bombers. That's was their primary bombing vehicle, afterall. For both the Japanese and German planes.

AKDejaVu

Staga · « **Reply #43 on:** July 24, 2001, 04:15:00 PM »

DjV in that case allies need swordfishs for torpedo-runs and Wellingtons/Stirlings for levelbombing.
Sounds good eh?
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Koba maybe numbers were 70/30. I went to that server, saw "welcome text" with %-numbers and logged off right after that laughing.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #44 on:** July 24, 2001, 04:37:00 PM »

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DjV in that case allies need swordfishs for torpedo-runs and Wellingtons/Stirlings for levelbombing.
Sounds good eh?

Um.. don't really know what you are trying to say here staga.

The allies rellied on the massive use of heavy bombers. The Axis did not. The B-17, B-26 and Lancaster are apropriate. There are some other allied heavy bombers that could be included in that mix. The point is.. there aren't really any Axis bombers that do... at least not in the heavy bomber division.

"Axis need a heavy bomber!"

"Why?"

AKDejaVu