Author Topic: Axis need a heavy bomber... (Read 1791 times)

Staga · « **Reply #45 on:** July 24, 2001, 04:44:00 PM »

DjV why do Allies need heavies in AH ?

Kieran · « **Reply #46 on:** July 24, 2001, 04:57:00 PM »

If you want to relive history, there is no German heavy bomber in widespread use outside of anti-shipping. You can point to 1,000 produced, but how many were in the air at any given time? How many were serviceable? Where did they serve? How did they fair against opposition? Why was production ended before the war ended?

If you want play balance the Germans (as part of the Axis) need a heavy bomber. That way if you want to draw the simple Axis/Allies line you have a bomber comparable to the the Allied's two heavies.

Really, you just need to decide what compromise you want to make.

Dowding · « **Reply #47 on:** July 24, 2001, 05:00:00 PM »

Just as I thought, Staga.

*Some* scenarios do have that kind of balance, but the idea is to recreate a specific historical situation. I believe that's why they call them 'historical'.

The LW were outnumbered...err...alot during the war - or do you believe in recreating solely the very few scenarios where that wasn't the case (especially post 1942)?

Staga · « **Reply #48 on:** July 24, 2001, 05:28:00 PM »

Do not mix RL and AH's main-arena or next you need a historical-arena.

I don't care if I fly allied or axis plane BUT I'm eager to see more bombers in AH and He-177 looks like it could be quite interesting add-on to AH's planeset (loads of different armament-options) and IMO it would fit here better than Ju-88(MA with its gameplay is still where ppl spends most of their time. If you look planes in MA almost all are '43 or later so why not add a Axis bomber from that era of war?
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Koba when shall we see a "Historical scenario" from '40 with 70%axis and 30% Allies?
IMO its weird to use percentages like that in game; I would rather see 50/50 so nobody could not say they lose because of numbers.
You're free to set up scenario as you like and players are free to decide if they like to play with your rules or not. How many ppl were in that scen? How many were in MA? Did you had to ask ppl to move to the Axis side?
I hope not.

Montezuma · « **Reply #49 on:** July 24, 2001, 11:10:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Staga:
Maybe we could use it in a somekind of WW2 scenario ?

Not sure, just a thought.

What battles was that strange thing in?

Whatever you find, I bet I could come up with just a *few* more for the Stuka or Betty...

Thunder · « **Reply #50 on:** July 24, 2001, 11:24:00 PM »

lazs1,

What is your Main Arena Handle??

Thunder

Thunder · « **Reply #51 on:** July 24, 2001, 11:39:00 PM »

Staga,

Very nice pictures, I think the He-177 would be a GREAT addition to the game. The Bomber Community deserves a plane like this and its creation would fill many needs. I provides a type plane for the Axis in main arena. It would be great for scenerios. The Brits & Yanks always have to fly and escort the heavys. It would be fun to turn it around at times. Be sides its kinda cool lookin

Anyway, I like it!

Thunder

HABICHT · « **Reply #52 on:** July 25, 2001, 04:13:00 AM »

i'm no more in this sim, but i'd like to
see this bird for you.
these aren't pics of an finished modell.

wastel

Staga · « **Reply #53 on:** July 25, 2001, 05:36:00 AM »

WB3 is getting He-177? WTG !

Montezuma in eastern-front saw fights lots of planes you propably haven't even heard. If you want to start a thread against He-177 please do so but do it in another topic.

lazs1 · « **Reply #54 on:** July 25, 2001, 08:26:00 AM »

thunder.. my handle is, as allways lazs.. when the bulitin booard got ate last time I had to re register but allways sign "lazs"

staga... I agree with you. what do the allies need heavy bombers for in the game. there is no realistic targets to bomb. your pics prove some points I have allways made. What do tiy see burning in the pics? not hangers or fuel dumps or fighters those are all well hidden (except hangers which are not worthwhile targets in any case)... Those bombers won't be taking off and "fighter bombers" could kill em just as easy by strafing em. In AH the bombers can affect the fighter war drasticly.... This of course is silly unrealistic and never happened in the war... In AH, fighters can't effect the bomber war which is silly as your photos poing out. It is bassakwards now and you want to make it even worse.
lazs

Dowding · « **Reply #55 on:** July 25, 2001, 05:48:00 PM »

Err...Staga I don't think there is the planeset for a true 1940 scenario. You know that as well as I do.

I actually remember the scenario where you took your 'bat and ball and went home' over of the percentages. It was an Arado vs Typhoon set-up and, please correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't Arados on the rare side compared to Tiffies?

Now if we had the Stuka, the Me-110 and the Hurricane...

Explain how the He-177 would achieve a 1940 scenario with the balance you mention?

Staga · « **Reply #56 on:** July 25, 2001, 06:19:00 PM »

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Dowding:
"The LW were outnumbered...err...alot during the war - or do you believe in recreating solely the very few scenarios where that wasn't the case (especially post 1942)?"

This one sentence you typed tells me more than you might understand. It clearly shows what kind of scenarios we can expect.

70%/30% eh ? Have fun, I rather spend my time in WWIIOL

Btw it wasn't Arado/Temp scen.
AFAIR I haven't ever lose a Arado to the enemy fighter

Mark Luper · « **Reply #57 on:** July 25, 2001, 06:34:00 PM »

Personaly I would like to see the HE177 just because it is a cool looking plane. Give us a little more variety. The only axis bombers so far are the AR234 and the JU88. Neither are my fav's but the 88 is kinda cool. Would also like to see the HE111. It wouldn't be very effective but it too is a cool plane. Brings back memories of "The Battle of Britain".

Neither the 177 or the 111 are modeled in any online war sims are they?

brady · « **Reply #58 on:** July 25, 2001, 08:15:00 PM »

i would love to see the he 177, but i think the japanese should get a buff first since the Germans already have one. The Peggy or the franciss would be my choices.

juzz · « **Reply #59 on:** July 26, 2001, 02:54:00 AM »

P1Y1!!!