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Offline nrshida

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Re: Amendment question
« Reply #60 on: April 12, 2022, 03:09:46 AM »
Pay attention.

I must try harder!  :banana:


If humans were not here, the earth would warm and cool just like it did before.... humans were ever here.

It's frankly a little surprising that someone would still propose such an argument in the 21st century for many reasons. Not-the-least-of-which being it is logical claptrap. I don't know if it's your self-created argument or you're just passing it along. It is correct, that the Earth has had periods of ice and fire. It is however not - as you appear to be implying - random. Even 550,000,000 (+/- a tolerance) -years ago the cause can be determined, let alone last week. There's always a cause and right now it is specifically you and Zack1234 with your seven litre V8 and 2-stroke Lambretta respectively  :rofl


Only the sun and the earth's infrared heat are the things that heat up the earth...

The nice thing about science, or the un-nice thing about science, depending on your motivation and position is that whether you understand the relavent bits or not, or if you personally care to 'believe' it or not (what with the social media phenomena of personal opinion being entirely equal to facts or data (lolz)), or if is an obstacle to some goal you have or not, it is still binding.

An analogy on our one common ground Mr. Violator: ACM. If you apply more advanced ACM with reasonable execution against an opponent with inferior ACM (even with superior execution) you are applying leverage and squeezing and squeezing him until his eyeballs start to come out and he's all screaming and that, blood spurting from his tear-ducts and his desperate, sweaty-hand crushing his plastic joystick as he screams NOOOOOO! even if - on an egotistical foundation - he thinks he's better than you. Such as it is with actual knowledge, data, hypothesis, theory instead of the pretense of same*.

Apologies to the OP for the catastrophic derailment. The only honourable thing to do is retire behind the garden shed with my 455 Webley-Fosbery  :rofl :bolt:


* and I really am trying to keep this light-hearted, entertaining and banter-aside, somewhat respectful
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Re: Amendment question
« Reply #61 on: April 12, 2022, 03:43:08 AM »
Only the sun and the earth's infrared heat are the things that heat up the earth. If there was too much C02, there would be a cooling effect because the sun would be blocked and dispursed by the compounds in the air. That is why a desert climate is much hotter, there are no compounds. At night it gets very cold due to no cloud cover and precipitation in the air. It's why tropical climates are cooler than deserts. There is more water and C02 in the air. Smog creates a cooling effect in the local region. Simple compounds break down over a distance with alt. It's why you don't feel the effects of a volcano from 1000 miles away. There is no way that an abundance of C02 in some local regions like cities in China or India are "increasing the earths temperature". The water vapor in the atmosphere is actually cooling it. Only the sun could cause a rapid global heating phenomenon because of the grand solar minimum cycle. That's just the truth.

All they care about is you living in fear and profiting and staying in power from that fear.

siberia had a temperature of almost 40 degrees above normal, 100 degrees.  dont let it scare you. Antarctica had a big chunk of ice break off. some iceland glaciers are melting off.

dont worry we are cool. we have ice makers in our refrigitaros.  we should be ok. we can make our own ice. dont worry about some usa states who have problems with loss of rain.

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Re: Amendment question
« Reply #62 on: April 12, 2022, 03:45:31 AM »
Wake Forest University 4th year medical school student misses vein in attempted blood draw on patient because:

  "I had a patient I was doing a blood draw on see my pronoun pin and loudly laugh to the staff ‘She/Her? Well of course it is! What other pronouns even are there?’ I missed his vein so he had to get stuck twice."
 -Kychelle Del Rosario tweeted.


In our RN clinicals on live patients we were doing both butterfly and IV blood draws 3/4 through first year. Sure everyone will miss now and then, which is almost always due to either deep veins, “rolly” veins or being nervous. Missing because the patient has distracted your attention is entirely unacceptable and potentially grounds for dismissal (failure/absence) of that clinical day. At my school 2 “absent” clinical days equal failure of the semester.


So this 4th year med student receives: “The university responded with a brief suspension but announced no further consequences in its latest statement.”

  “For the event mentioned in the tweet, I was performing a blood draw on a patient and during our conversation they had shown dismay at my pronoun pin," Del Rosario wrote 

Being distracted because you are upset about ANYTHING a patient SAYS to the point you can not complete a clinical skill and get less than a slap on the wrist is egregious, even more so for a medical student - soon to be doctor.

“Missing the vein” is often enough infiltration, which is the needle going all the way through the vein; usually nothing serious happens, however when it does…

Medical error(s) are the 3rd leading cause of death in the USA! Soon maybe #1…

Zack is right, China and much of the rest of the world is laughing at the US.



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Re: Amendment question
« Reply #63 on: April 12, 2022, 08:18:48 AM »
I must try harder!  :banana:


It's frankly a little surprising that someone would still propose such an argument in the 21st century for many reasons. Not-the-least-of-which being it is logical claptrap. I don't know if it's your self-created argument or you're just passing it along. It is correct, that the Earth has had periods of ice and fire. It is however not - as you appear to be implying - random. Even 550,000,000 (+/- a tolerance) -years ago the cause can be determined, let alone last week. There's always a cause and right now it is specifically you and Zack1234 with your seven litre V8 and 2-stroke Lambretta respectively  :rofl


The nice thing about science, or the un-nice thing about science, depending on your motivation and position is that whether you understand the relavent bits or not, or if you personally care to 'believe' it or not (what with the social media phenomena of personal opinion being entirely equal to facts or data (lolz)), or if is an obstacle to some goal you have or not, it is still binding.

An analogy on our one common ground Mr. Violator: ACM. If you apply more advanced ACM with reasonable execution against an opponent with inferior ACM (even with superior execution) you are applying leverage and squeezing and squeezing him until his eyeballs start to come out and he's all screaming and that, blood spurting from his tear-ducts and his desperate, sweaty-hand crushing his plastic joystick as he screams NOOOOOO! even if - on an egotistical foundation - he thinks he's better than you. Such as it is with actual knowledge, data, hypothesis, theory instead of the pretense of same*.

Apologies to the OP for the catastrophic derailment. The only honourable thing to do is retire behind the garden shed with my 455 Webley-Fosbery  :rofl :bolt:


* and I really am trying to keep this light-hearted, entertaining and banter-aside, somewhat respectful

Yes, well I did take weather and science with a lab in college. Far more learning than most have on the subject. I also made an A. I learned quite a bit about why climates developed in the areas they did. Its why I believe the earth is round. I was blown away by how compounds and molecules work in the atmosphere. Also by how seasons work among other things. Heat causes molecules to shrink and break down as they climb. If they have water inside them, it releases the condensation and creates clouds. Clouds create rain. It's why during the day, cloud cover blocks the sun and creates shade. There is no shade or compounds in deserts, therefore less particles to block and disperse the sun. That's why It's a hotter climate. During the night, cloud cover makes it warmer because it traps the eaeths infrared heat. No cloud cover in deserts makes it very cold because the infraded heat cannot be trapped. There is nothing else warming it as the sun is on the other side of the earth. C02 has nothing to do with warming the planet. It's just a method of fascist fear control to change the way we live to their agenda.

It's why I don't believe in C02 is causing global warming. It's literally one of the building blocks to life. It's a natural compound in the earth. Green houses have more C02 inside them than places outside of greenhouses, life prospers there. The earth has wind, the earth breaks down those compounds. They don't just float for ever. They don't just sit over Antarctica and melt the snow. C02 doesn't build up over the ocean to create bigger storms. The ocean is freaking huge. 2000 miles to get to Hawaii from California. There are hardly any land masses in between. We can't even comprehend how big the ocean is.

Global warming is literally a fear tactic agenda by fascists to change the way we live to support their businesses and industry like electric cars, wind power, solar power, ect. It's all about shifting society to their businesses and how they want you to live. They will use Global warming as an excuse to manipulate your rights. It's so easy to see.

Science is science but it will always be pushed for an agenda by elites because it's easy to manipulate people who don't study and understand it. It's like the election statistical analysis and improbabilties that mathematicians have proved. Math is math, but of course it doesn't count when it doesn't jive with what the powers in charge want. Then they pay off actual scientist to turn a blind eye, or kill them if they don't.

My parents have a boat in Florida. There has been no increase in water depth. The storms are still the same.
Storms haven't been any bigger than they were in the early 1900s. C02 does not sit over oceans and build up to create bigger storms than ever. It's just not true.

Infact, we even have the former CIA leader talk about how they use aerosol injections from planes to block out the sun to prevent warming. He said it on record. If that is the case. Than putting more C02 and compounds in the atmosphere actually cools the earth because it's blocks and disperses the sun's heat rays.
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Re: Amendment question
« Reply #64 on: April 12, 2022, 08:49:44 AM »
Yes, well I did take weather and science with a lab in college. Far more learning than most have on the subject. I also made an A.

I'm sorry Violator, but despite your A, you don't seem to quite grasp the fundamentals. And I decline the standard invitation to an argument ad infinitum and in intense, irrelevant detail.


It's just a method of fascist fear control to change the way we live to their agenda.

You have a tendency to frame everything in an American-specific political context, bordering almost without fail on the point of conspiracy-theory. Have you not noticed the correlation between your posts and the spate of recent thread-locks? I mean we'd have to gather a lot of data, write a peer-reviewed paper, based on a formal and reproducable experiment to be sure...


It's why I don't believe in C02 is causing global warming.

I'm sorry, I really must stop you on this critical point: it doesn't matter what you believe. What has been arrived at by rigorous experimentation and research is not a belief, and what you personally choose to believe does not nullify that.

I don't mean to be rude to you. I know you mean well in your own way. You're just a bit off-the-reservation with your thinking methods old man.
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Re: Amendment question
« Reply #65 on: April 12, 2022, 09:51:18 AM »
Does anyone think the agenda is to save earth or just change what industries we throw our money at?

No way are we setup today to stop the use of oil

So we should drill our own and not become dependent on our enemies for it like Europe is now..

They basically have Ukrainian blood on their hands now due to that dependency

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Re: Amendment question
« Reply #66 on: April 12, 2022, 10:52:20 AM »
I'm sorry Violator, but despite your A, you don't seem to quite grasp the fundamentals. And I decline the standard invitation to an argument ad infinitum and in intense, irrelevant detail.


You have a tendency to frame everything in an American-specific political context, bordering almost without fail on the point of conspiracy-theory. Have you not noticed the correlation between your posts and the spate of recent thread-locks? I mean we'd have to gather a lot of data, write a peer-reviewed paper, based on a formal and reproducable experiment to be sure...


I'm sorry, I really must stop you on this critical point: it doesn't matter what you believe. What has been arrived at by rigorous experimentation and research is not a belief, and what you personally choose to believe does not nullify that.

I don't mean to be rude to you. I know you mean well in your own way. You're just a bit off-the-reservation with your thinking methods old man.

I'm sorry, but could you please explain to me the goal of the WEF and its current agenda related to global warming? Or do you want to pretend it doesn't exist trying to effect the entire world to its agenda?

You say I am wrong without explaining your 'fundamentals'. Explain how a desert is hotter than a tropical climate which has more C02? Why is that climate hotter? Please I'd love to read your reasoning.


There are many other scientist who have written studies who do not believe in "industry" causing global warming or that it's C02. It hasn't "been proven" like you think. You can say that Co2 holds heat, but that is only for a short period of time until they break down and disperses in atmosphere. That heat comes from the sun. Heat rises and cools. C02 is not heavy enough to prevent heat from rising. Heat forces molecules to shrink as they rise and release condensation, if any. Overall, more compounds in the atmosphere create condensation which blocks the sun or causes rain, thus cooling the climate. It doesn't just "stay hot" and doesn't just "make the whole world hotter 10,000 miles away" because the levels of C02 are not the same from one region to the other. The earth is not a greenhouse and compounds break down. It's why you don't feel the effects from a volcanoe even 1,000 miles away.
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