Author Topic: Me410A-1 and Mosquito FB.VI Series 2: Needed Adversaries (Read 710 times)

marcof · « **Reply #15 on:** July 25, 2001, 01:26:00 AM »

Mossie & ME410, would indeed be good to see, but I wonder if such a sensable addition will come, judged buy previous aircraft choices?.
Marcof.

Karnak · « **Reply #16 on:** August 04, 2001, 03:11:00 PM »

Ding_Hao,

Can you provide performance and armament options data for the Me410B? I can't find any data on it.

I'm curios and would like to compare it with the Me410A.

Regurge · « **Reply #17 on:** August 04, 2001, 04:00:00 PM »

I'd love to see the 410. Great jabo plane and bomber destroyer (given enough time to climb). Wasnt there also a version with a 50mm cannon?

Karnak · « **Reply #18 on:** August 04, 2001, 04:24:00 PM »

Regurge,

Yes, both the Me410 and Mosquito have a "big gun" version.

The Me410 has a version with a 50mm gun and 20 rounds, IIRC.

The Mosquito FB.XVIII is an FB.VI with the 4 20mm cannon replaced with a single 57mm Mollins gun with 27 rounds.

DingHao2 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 05, 2001, 08:03:00 AM »

Ok Karnak, here it comes.

Messerschmitt Me-410 B-2

Engines-- 2 Diamler-Benz DB-603G inverted Vees, rated @ 1900 HP each

Empty Weight-- 17,598 pounds

T/O weight-- 24,772 pounds

Max. Level Speed-- 392 MPH @ 26,575 Ft, 364 MPH @ 13,125 Ft.

Cruising Speed-- 370 MPH

Endurance-- 2 hours, 24 mins.

Climbs to 26,245 ft. w/ full weapons loadout in 22 mins, 30 secs.

All other stats identical to the A model Hornisse.

Armements, model B-2

U2 factory conversion-- added weapons pallet of 2x20mm MG 151/20's

U4 factory conversion-- added 2x30mm Mk 108's and 1 50mm BK-5 (this armament replaced the normal foward firing battery of 2x7.92mm MG's and 2x20mm cannons)

The following field conversion sets were compatible ONLY w/ the U2 factory conversion set and these aren't cumulative...u can only have 1 field conversion at once.

U2/R2-- added 2x30mm Mk 108's

U2/R3-- added 2x30mm Mk 103's

U2/R4-- added 2x20mm MG 151/20's

U2/R5-- added 4x20mm MG 151/20's

Note: the A-1 and B-1 models were "Schnellbombers", or Fast bombers, and the A-2 and B-2 models were heavy fighters and bomber destroyers.

Hajo · « **Reply #20 on:** August 05, 2001, 09:16:00 AM »

He-219A-0 to A-7

Engines: usually 2 DB603G's inverted vee 12 1900 HP

Weight: A-7 empty 24,682 lbs. Loaded 33750 lbs.

Performance: A-7 max speed 418 mph
initial climb rate: 1804 f/m
ceiling: 41,660 ft.

Armament: A-7 two Mk 108 (30mm) wing roots
two Mk 108 & two MG/151 20mm
in tray. Plus two Mk108 in
Scharge Musik array. (optional)

The first 6 sorties flown with these beasts accounted for 20 RAF Bomber kills with 6 being the previously immune Mosquito

He-219 was described as being highly maneuverable, fast and lethal.

Me-410 was spitfire fodder compared to the Uhu (He-219)

Source: German, Italian and Japanese Fighters of World War II

Author: Bill Gunston

Wilbus · « **Reply #21 on:** August 05, 2001, 09:37:00 AM »

Forgot some kits for the Me410, some of them flew with the 50mm gun, some with a special rocket pod, wich caused alot of trouble before they could get it right, no known combat reports with the rockets though.
Had numerous more, although the ones you mentioned were the most common

The ME410 would be great to add, the Uhu would probarly do better in the MA though, considering it's got a high speed and one cruel armement, I vote for both

Karnak · « **Reply #22 on:** August 05, 2001, 03:04:00 PM »

Ding_Hao,

Thanks.

I think you guys are missing the point. We don't need another Luftwaffe fighter, we have lots. We need a Luftwaffe fighter-bomber. The Me410A-1 and Me410B-1 both have forward firing guns, but in addition they can act as effective strike aircraft. Right now only the USAAF and USN have effective strike aircraft, even the Typhoon is poor when compared with the F4U-1D, F4U-1C, F6F-5, P-38L, P-47D-25 and P-47D-30. The Mosquito FB.VI and, especially, the Me410A-1 or Me410B-1 would add effective strike aircraft to the roster of non-American nations.

We don't want the heavy fighter version of the Me410, that would be nearly useless.

DingHao2 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 05, 2001, 06:15:00 PM »

Karnak--NP and just call me Ding.

The main reason why these planes are excellent additions is because of RAW FIREPOWER. Though they wont be much use as a heavy fighter or bomber destroyer, that still is no reason not to include the 50mm option. The Me-410 would be the equal of the Il-2 (a tank killer) w/ the addition of a strike capability.

Karnak · « **Reply #24 on:** August 06, 2001, 12:53:00 AM »

Ding,

I agree, I would like to see the big gun versions of both.

A Panzer IV'd respect a 50mm or 57mm cannon alot more I think.

Once the basic airframe is in AH, HTC has an easier time adding new versions. Look at the Fw190s, Bf109s and P-47s for examples of that.