Specifically American Question

[nrshida]

Maybe Zack means read a book which challenges your beliefs and assumptions instead of ones that tend to confirm those you already have, as some of these so-far listed tend to imply?

Actually that is the motivation for my original question (me talking to myself): "What if you're interpreting this incorrectly ( / what if you're wrong)?

)'m presently busy with Linear Algebra which I need for a programming project and Marcus Aurelius - some of the passages of which really force you to 'take a moment in life' and are surprisingly relevant despite him bashing out his first draft on his MacBook 2000-years ago   

[DmonSlyr]

I'm sure there are a lot of interpretation as to what "liberal" means to each person, and I could probably write a book on it, however I'll give you my interpretation.

It's what ever the main stream media narrative (Intelligence agencies) tells them to think and do without any question or backlash. The current narrative is anti traditionalism along with using social engineering to manipulate culture to accept more government and social inclusion in everyone's lives. Their ideology does not jive with traditional conservatism because they need our involvement in order for their system and agenda to operate. And that is where the authoritarian part of their ideology begins. How much can we take from them and with what authority in order to build our beaurocracy bigger?

[RotBaron]

As already stated, the term liberal will be defined differently from one person to the next, probably even to the extent of disagreement on its definition by those who call themselves such. Same with the term conservative too.

Technically they really are not political at all, but rather sociological because they are about the viewpoints individuals have on issues in contemporary society. But as you noted nearly anything can be turned political.

Many use the term liberal as an insult and I”m sure conservative too. I think when it’s used that way those being labeled as such (most) view it as a badge of honor to be insulted this way. Hence you’ve already found it as you said “highly charged” and also “dynamic” as the term(s) seems to evolve over time.

One thing I’ve noticed is that many things considered liberal decades ago are now the conservative viewpoint. That’s where the term progressivism becomes relevant. 

[nrshida]

Been a very interesting thread and the topic isn't nearly as obfuscated as some factions would have you believe (like many things).

I'm pretty sure the point where one system is proposed over another is the point where a discussion about politics becomes political. So I'm sure the thread will soon be locked. It's a shame really that discussion and exchange with a degree of listening is being generally displaced by combatitiveness with a degree of shouting instead, I think is the only mild observation I'd like to make.

I gave my word this wasn't trolling or an elaborate wheeze as is generally my predilection and so was it. I shall go further with my studies. Perhaps I'll have more advanced questions later. By-the-leave of the Dale-God-Entity.

    

[Shuffler]

Maybe Zack means read a book which challenges your beliefs and assumptions instead of ones that tend to confirm those you already have, as some of these so-far listed tend to imply?

Actually that is the motivation for my original question (me talking to myself): "What if you're interpreting this incorrectly ( / what if you're wrong)?

)'m presently busy with Linear Algebra which I need for a programming project and Marcus Aurelius - some of the passages of which really force you to 'take a moment in life' and are surprisingly relevant despite him bashing out his first draft on his MacBook 2000-years ago   

The condition of our country in comparison to before is proof enough for many.

[Arlo]

Make Amurica ______ again. 

[guncrasher]

the truth is you will never find an answer because there is none.

take for example violators reply. change a few words and then it becomes what is a conservative.

or Shuffler's about the condition of our country. a couple of years ago, around here beans,rice, toilet paper, meat, pork and some other staples were in short supply. now we have them but more expensive.  so what is better? to not have them or to have them at a higher price.

so the truth is liberals, conservatives, woke, cancel  culture, man,  woman are terms people like to use but nobody can define. hell we can't even agree on what is a barbq. in california is different than in the south.


semp

[rabbidrabbit]

the truth is you will never find an answer because there is none.

take for example violators reply. change a few words and then it becomes what is a conservative.

or Shuffler's about the condition of our country. a couple of years ago, around here beans,rice, toilet paper, meat, pork and some other staples were in short supply. now we have them but more expensive.  so what is better? to not have them or to have them at a higher price.

so the truth is liberals, conservatives, woke, cancel  culture, man,  woman are terms people like to use but nobody can define. hell we can't even agree on what is a barbq. in california is different than in the south.
semp

It's easier to define terminology than it is to convince people to use it properly.  People with twisted minds twist terminology to their convenience instead of working with simple facts.

[Arlo]

[Arlo]

It's easier to define terminology than it is to convince people to use it properly.  People with twisted minds twist terminology to their convenience instead of working with simple facts.

Or .... people claim others twist 'simple facts' when perspectives and philosophies clash.

[rabbidrabbit]

Or .... people claim others twist 'simple facts' when perspectives and philosophies clash.

And ... or.....  people claim others twist 'simple facts' when perspectives and philosophies clash.  In the end facts are facts, opinions are opinions.  Those who can't tell the difference can't accept simple facts.

[guncrasher]

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around here is anything you put on a grill, heck you can even make carnitas and still call it a bbq.

semp

[guncrasher]

And ... or.....  people claim others twist 'simple facts' when perspectives and philosophies clash.  In the end facts are facts, opinions are opinions.  Those who can't tell the difference can't accept simple facts.

facts are facts.  but facts are based on who believes them.

semp

[Arlo]

And ... or.....  people claim others twist 'simple facts' when perspectives and philosophies clash.  In the end facts are facts, opinions are opinions.  Those who can't tell the difference can't accept simple facts.

Simple is indeed a key word there. 

Your opinions aren't 'facts' to everyone. 

[Arlo]

around here is anything you put on a grill, heck you can even make carnitas and still call it a bbq.

semp

If you start putting bananas on a grill, warn me first.