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Offline AKKuya

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Re: Purpose of FSO
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2022, 05:59:29 PM »
Think back to opening night of Jurassic Park in 1993.  Until then, film used Claymation and miniatures through stop motion cameras for dinosaurs.  That night through the technology of CGI, we as a collective audience took disbelief away and BELIEVED in dinosaurs were real alongside human actors.  It's just a movie.  That moment is same as FSO.

FSO is a fantastical environment.   We choose to believe that we are WW2 aviators.  We choose to believe that we are a military bunch of WW2 aviators.  The key word.  Military.

Many FSO players are current or former military.  That truly helps.  Many civilian players accept the military style of the environment.  That helps greatly.  There are a handful of players that don't care about the military part of FSO. The FSO military part is a choice to believe when accepting a squad into the fold.

FSO to be effective in every way possible requires the choice of believing the military part.

CM - Chief of Staff for Military Planning (designing Objectives for both sides as dual Side Commander)
CIC - Commander in Charge of executing the assigned Objectives
Squad CO - responsible for carrying out specific instruction of CICs Orders
FSO Players - the true warriors in determining the fate of the opposing CICs Orders

Simple.  Straightforward.  Clear as a bell.

FSO works when ALL believe in the cartoon military.  Just take a moment to send reality away on this being a virtual combat simulator online.  Just BELIEVE.

Once you enter that way of thinking, FSO will be the blast of fun you're wanting.  Even when you get the worst ride and worst mission and history records a major disaster for that real life squadron.  Here, with players of 20 years of experience, that night for one Frame.  The table can be overturned.

It's just a game.  Players can choose how they individually view it.  Opinions shared and discussed.  Actions in the air for fog of war.

If you can believe in them park dinosaurs, then you can believe in FSO.

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Re: Purpose of FSO
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2022, 10:12:13 PM »
I don't know if you have noticed but the numbers in this game we all love are dropping.

RD,

You have noted many times that "numbers are dropping", FSO aircraft match up's are poor, mission planning is a waste of time, CM's are "brown-nosers" etc. (I am sure i missed a few, as your opinion on everything that is "wrong" is long)

Can you provide a list of solutions as you see them? To always point out the so called issues, and then to not provide a solution is weak.
Please be specific

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Re: Purpose of FSO
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2022, 05:44:28 AM »


Can you provide a list of solutions as you see them? To always point out the so called issues, and then to not provide a solution is weak.
Please be specific

Thanks

OK I will keep it real then

The easiest solution is to not show up.

When are you CM's going to realize your driving the players away, right along with the toejamty graphics of this game.

The crying over the smallest of things by staff and the mission planners. Was the objective complete? more than likely yes it was, did the mission go exactly as the CiC envisioned it would? probably not but the objective was completed.

Before you respond with " well you should apply for a CM position so as to help us make the event better" talk also keep in mind that being a CM in the SEA is a private little country club that only select members can get into. I was a CM in the AvA arena and when I tried to changed up how we go about getting players into an event it was met with scrutiny and negativity, even though what I was doing was getting more and more players into the otherwise dead in the water events with the same ol same ol people showing up. Those same ol same ol people are awesome people but fresh players are what is needed to keep it going.

As I said earlier, If you all don't like what I have to add or like what we are trying to contribute here, then say the F**king word and I will go fly my Apache or Hornet Friday nights instead.





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Re: Purpose of FSO
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2022, 07:28:46 PM »
RD,

I read though your response a few times, just so i am 100% clear and i see your opinion, but not solutions or even facts.

Like this comment "When are you CM's going to realize your driving the players away". Could it be possible that your negative, finger pointing could also have an effect on the player base? Or perhaps some players do like a detailed plan or mission for an FSO when you are CiC and not providing one could have a negative effect on there game play for the night? I do not know this for sure, as i have not asked or taken a poll, but you speak like you have, Or is it just your opinion?

I don't want to focus on mission planning, as that seams to be a small part of your negativity. (A possible solution could be to delegate to someone in your squad who would like to take on more of a planning and coordination roll? just a suggestion)

I am not going to say " well you should apply for a CM position so as to help us make the event better", but I, and i think others would welcome a conversation with you to try and alleviate any issues you may have with an event (not during the event, but prior too). I can only speak for me, but i would be confident in saying that all CM's from designers to set-ups take this voluntary role we do seriously and try to do the best we can. To repeatedly point out what you feel "sucks" in your opinion and that your "solution is to not show up", is not getting to a solution to the problems you have pointed out.

I am sorry you feel the way you do. When an event goes good for you, you really seem to enjoying them. If a event goes bad for you, than on the whole it "sucks" and the event is run down.

Its like from one extreme to another, can we find a middle ground?
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Re: Purpose of FSO
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2022, 03:07:42 PM »
RD,

I'm hoping your lack of reply is an indication that all is well?
If that is the case, then great. See you Friday for frame 3

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Re: Purpose of FSO
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2022, 07:47:18 PM »
OK I will keep it real then

The easiest solution is to not show up.

When are you CM's going to realize your driving the players away, right along with the toejamty graphics of this game.

The crying over the smallest of things by staff and the mission planners. Was the objective complete? more than likely yes it was, did the mission go exactly as the CiC envisioned it would? probably not but the objective was completed.

Before you respond with " well you should apply for a CM position so as to help us make the event better" talk also keep in mind that being a CM in the SEA is a private little country club that only select members can get into. I was a CM in the AvA arena and when I tried to changed up how we go about getting players into an event it was met with scrutiny and negativity, even though what I was doing was getting more and more players into the otherwise dead in the water events with the same ol same ol people showing up. Those same ol same ol people are awesome people but fresh players are what is needed to keep it going.

As I said earlier, If you all don't like what I have to add or like what we are trying to contribute here, then say the F**king word and I will go fly my Apache or Hornet Friday nights instead.





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And with 💩 responses and attitudes like this is EXACTLY why I left the CM Team.  I’m done dealing with douschiness…

CMs “brown nosing”?  Are you friggin insane?  I am still curious about just exactly how the CMs are driving players away.  Seriously.  Answer that one.  I am genuinely curious.  The only thing the CMs do that cause less players is kicking out players that don’t follow the written rules of FSO. 

Do what you wish.  I no longer care.  I resigned from the CM Team.  I’m done trying to run events with adults whining and crying like friggin babies when they have an itch to scratch. 

Enjoy…

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Re: Purpose of FSO
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2022, 08:14:23 PM »
Slip. Please reconsider. You're good for FSO. When I come back (and I hope it's soon - even as a bomber target or truck driver) I don't wanna see FSO diminished. And it would be without you.  :(

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Re: Purpose of FSO
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2022, 12:10:11 AM »
And with 💩 responses and attitudes like this is EXACTLY why I left the CM Team.  I’m done dealing with douschiness…

CMs “brown nosing”?  Are you friggin insane?  I am still curious about just exactly how the CMs are driving players away.  Seriously.  Answer that one.  I am genuinely curious.  The only thing the CMs do that cause less players is kicking out players that don’t follow the written rules of FSO. 

Do what you wish.  I no longer care.  I resigned from the CM Team.  I’m done trying to run events with adults whining and crying like friggin babies when they have an itch to scratch. 

Enjoy…

Slip, I do hope you reconsider.

I for one appreciate all that you, and the rest of the CM's do to make events like FSO possible. Without you guys life would suck a little bit more.
I don't envy the job that you do, it's thankless and many of us in the game do understand that. Even if you don't hear if from us very often we do appreciate it.

What ever happens please don't let FSO turn into the MA. That will ruin it for sure.

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Re: Purpose of FSO
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2022, 10:01:22 AM »
Slip. Please reconsider. You're good for FSO. When I come back (and I hope it's soon - even as a bomber target or truck driver) I don't wanna see FSO diminished. And it would be without you.  :(

That boat sailed.  It's been brewing for several months.  The AK's have a long history of supporting the CM team for which I'm very proud.  All these individuals volunteered purely out of love for Aces High and for FSO.  I'm sure other CM's do the same.  The AK's have lost Slipknot and Kuya from the CM team in the past few months.  I can tell you both were very excited and very proud to have serve on the CM team. 

They each have their reasons for leaving but I for one appreciate the many hours they dedicated to the AH community.

Thank you Slipknot and thank you Kuya!!!! 

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Re: Purpose of FSO
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2022, 07:07:17 PM »
Thank you Slipknot and thank you Kuya!!!! 

Ditto, there is a silent majority who do appreciate your and others work over the years.

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Re: Purpose of FSO
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2022, 04:48:09 AM »
I know I appreciate Ditto :rofl :aok
I get really really tired of selective realism disguised as a desire to make bombers easier to kill.

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Re: Purpose of FSO
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2022, 06:19:55 AM »
And with 💩 responses and attitudes like this is EXACTLY why I left the CM Team.  I’m done dealing with douschiness…

CMs “brown nosing”?  Are you friggin insane?  I am still curious about just exactly how the CMs are driving players away.  Seriously.  Answer that one.  I am genuinely curious. 

With the plane sets, complaining over simple things (like your currently doing).

As far as my response to whatever goes, you have to take criticism being a in a CM position right along with the praise, so if you can't handle it then its not my problem.



Maybe start offering setups people want. Maybe have a suggestions page for those events.

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