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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #165 on: June 10, 2022, 07:24:26 PM »

Whoa!  I missed that final drop.  PPT turned into GMTFOOH!  (Get Me the Fq OUT of HERE!)


Never heard of GMTFOOH before.  Right up there with BOHICA and FUBAR.  Speaking of, years ago in WBs there was a player whose call sign was FUBAR.  Good player as I recall.
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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #166 on: June 10, 2022, 07:45:25 PM »
Never heard of GMTFOOH before

Cause I just made it up.  ;)
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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #167 on: June 11, 2022, 06:26:32 AM »
I like this guy

https://youtu.be/q323IUfhozI

If the government lies how are we to believe them?

Just a giant corrupt country club..

It's all manipulated..everything these days...the truth is harder and harder to find.

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #168 on: June 13, 2022, 07:45:07 AM »



I think this week will get sporty.

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #169 on: June 13, 2022, 07:52:16 AM »
Black Monday maybe...

Can't see anything that can be twisted as good news that would stop another drop IMO..

Hope most of you have moved your $$$ into safer money markets/cd's for now

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #170 on: June 13, 2022, 08:04:21 AM »
The digital tulips are getting stomped into the dirt.  That stable store of value sure looks like a froth market risk asset.   

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/13/bitcoin-btc-falls-as-market-focuses-on-celsius-issue-fed-rate-hike.html

It is amazing how much % or wealth the younger folks have dumped into bitcoin.  There are going to be a lot of angry, bitter, young investors when this thing has run it's course. 
But the young have time; the most valuable of assets.  They can learn from this and have decades of working years to recover.

[Edit]  But for full disclosure, it bitcoin drops to ~1000-5000 I might buy some.  For the same reason I buy a 1$ lotto ticket each week.  1$ is the change left over in my pocket.  Upside is sufficient for 1$.  But I wouldn't put 20% of my wealth into lotto tickets.
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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #171 on: June 13, 2022, 10:05:18 AM »


If S&P closes below 3850 today (certainly on track for that), and bakes in a couple of days (Certainly no good news for market expected Wed) there might be no firm support between here and ~3200-3000.  It's that Wiley Coyote moment when he realized he has run off the edge of the cliff and is dangling over open air.

And 3200 might not be a strong support either.

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #172 on: June 13, 2022, 10:19:42 AM »
As it was all so predictable one has to wonder why they let it get this bad

Even then if energy was addressed we wouldn't be going down the toilet as quickly but we all know what that is about.....

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #173 on: June 13, 2022, 10:45:42 AM »




The lights are starting to dim. 

The curtain will soon begin to open.

The show is almost ready to begin.

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #174 on: June 13, 2022, 11:00:38 AM »

If S&P closes below 3850 today (certainly on track for that), and bakes in a couple of days (Certainly no good news for market expected Wed) there might be no firm support between here and ~3200-3000.  It's that Wiley Coyote moment when he realized he has run off the edge of the cliff and is dangling over open air.

And 3200 might not be a strong support either.

We were at an inflated s&p at 3200 when it crashed easily to 2584 in March 2020..

I don't see anything that shows it wouldn't crash to that again except the fed losing there nerve and reversing the actions they are taking now..

When that happens the next super bubble begins

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #175 on: June 13, 2022, 11:11:35 AM »
Black Monday maybe...

Can't see anything that can be twisted as good news that would stop another drop IMO..

Hope most of you have moved your $$$ into safer money markets/cd's for now

Eagler


We did that at the start of the planedemic!  Took a big hit at first but then it mostly came back and made some modest gains but we’re not in the US market and moved most into Canuck banks.

2 of the banks have doubled in value and 2 others are near double so if I see a small correction I’m not very worried. We’ve been playing the long game low risk low reward but after 30 years of that our initial investment have grown quite nicely. Oh and it helps when your wife is a FA and long time bank employee.


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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #176 on: June 13, 2022, 11:45:23 AM »
We were at an inflated s&p at 3200 when it crashed easily to 2584 in March 2020..


To be clear, I'm not suggesting a bottom at 3200.  It would merely be the next resistance line I would expect the Bulls to dig in and try and defend.  It may bounce there a bit, but I do expect it to eventually fall and the rout continue.  My base case is the S&P getting to 2500-1500 range.

Inflation is the game here currently. 

A lot of people think the Fed cares about the stock market directly.  I do not share that belief.  I think they only see the stock market (and other asset classes) as second order tools to achieve their actual focus: full employment and price stability.  I believe they truly are willing to inflate to ridiculous levels, or crash to rubble all asset classes as need to achieve the two metric they believe their legacy will be judged on.    Volker cratered the economy into a deep recession and has been hailed as a hero for decades.  Markets and assets are perfectly expendable as long as inflation is kept constrained and the job losses are not excessive.  Currently, inflation is out of control and the labor market so tight that we could tolerate significant layoffs and still just return to near normal levels.  That suggest to me there is no Fed "Put" in the works for the foreseeable future.

Another very important point I saw someone bring up (and I totally agree) is the effect of inflation on the USD as a reserve currency.  It is a VITAL strategic interest to maintain USD as the worlds reserve currency.  The gov is willing to accept any pain to protect that.  If push came to shove, guys in dark suits with dark glasses will show in Powell's office to explain to him that inflation must be tamed even if it leads to undesirable job losses.  It is a matter of National Security.  Inflation is KRYPTONITE to a reserve currency.  Even depression is preferable.  That just strengthens the dollar.  Actors need to feel confident they can deal in dollars and not lose value it the time it takes a contract to complete.  If inflation is running out of control actors start feeling queasy about using it for international commerce.  Then calls to replace the USD with a crypto backed by an averaging of multiple sovereign currencies really starts to get traction.  That would be  catastrophic loss of influence for the US.  Maintaining the USD position as reserve currency trumps all other considerations.

There will be no Fed "Put" until inflation is tamed.  They are certainly willing to crater the stock, housing, crypto markets if needed.  They are probably willing to accepts quite a bit of job loss for now.  Labor is tight enough they have room to maneuver there.  At least until 5-6% unemployment.

IMHO.  YMMV.
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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #177 on: June 13, 2022, 11:48:44 AM »



The lights are starting to dim. 

The curtain will soon begin to open.

The show is almost ready to begin.

This guy has the hammer square on the nail.

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #178 on: June 13, 2022, 02:34:17 PM »
This guy has the hammer square on the nail.

One of my favorite channels.  Check it every day for great guests.  He has a great Sat morning market week recap with a very knowledgeable trade that is part of my weekly ritual. 

Pot of coffee, big breakfast, Wealthion market update.

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Re: The Great Unwinding
« Reply #179 on: June 13, 2022, 05:33:48 PM »

Looks like maybe 0.75 is on the table. 

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