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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #135 on: June 09, 2022, 01:00:53 PM »
I had no desire to touch this thread with even a 10' virtual pole but I do have to say that's a pretty good take on where we're at as a country from someone that doesn't even live here.  Contrary to what that wingnut thinks.

Maybe it's just the advantage of a detached view (but thank you):old:


All of this intellegent writing and yet you still cannot understand that CARS are more dangerous than any gun on the planet and they are being used for attacks.

Yes I agree cars cause a lot of casualties. Just two subtle points: people-in-cars-hours is incredibly high, immeseaurably so. So the risk footprint is permanent, essentially. Cars for the most part, to a statistical degree almost entirely cause accidental, not deliberate casualties. There's probably way more assaults with garden implements which are also needed. Secondly we do make alterations to cars, the infrastructure and the boundries of interactions with other modes of transport such as pedestrians and cyclists.

Take the Netherlands as an example. It was not always cycling / pedestrian-friendly. In the 70s the people decided not to go the car-centric inner-city route with massive protests and petitions which changed things. You guys have this whole ammendment system which suggests your culture makes provision for adaptation.
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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #136 on: June 09, 2022, 01:57:39 PM »
All school shootings are in gun free zones.  Before gun free zones we had fewer shootings. Another big factor is absent fathers and lax school discipline for 'equity'. Those are things government can do something about.

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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #137 on: June 09, 2022, 02:04:47 PM »
We had guns in the 70s yet we had no school shootings..

It's not a gun problem folks

But keep buying the bs they are selling while ignoring the ever growing segment of society with mental issues...

To help minimize gun crime it would help to keep the criminal element behind bars with stricter sentences and much much harder parole requirements

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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #138 on: June 09, 2022, 02:37:48 PM »
To help minimize gun crime it would help to keep the criminal element behind bars with stricter sentences and much much harder parole requirements



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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #139 on: June 09, 2022, 03:19:19 PM »
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The U.S. National Research Council, 2014.

One might think absent fathers and lax discipline cause higher crime rates requiring more incarceration.

If certain guns didn't deter tyranny the government wouldn't be trying to take them away.

Most shootings are drug dealing gang members shooting each other. Where do they get the drugs? They don't steal them from law abiding drug users.

The best response to school shootings is not giving the shooter the attention that motivated them. The gun isn't the problem.
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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #140 on: June 09, 2022, 03:41:04 PM »
I always took a couple of my guns to school back in the 70s. They were in my back window. Never an issue.
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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #141 on: June 09, 2022, 03:43:12 PM »
Schools used to have rifle ranges, gun clubs, guns and ammo on site.

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« Reply #142 on: June 09, 2022, 03:49:09 PM »
Schools used to have rifle ranges, gun clubs, guns and ammo on site.

Amazingly yes. Different people, different attitudes.

Law abiding people are far better than criminals. Not sure why so many are concerned about hurting criminals feelings.
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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #143 on: June 09, 2022, 03:59:52 PM »
All school shootings are in gun free zones.  Before gun free zones we had fewer shootings. Another big factor is absent fathers and lax school discipline for 'equity'. Those are things government can do something about.

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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #144 on: June 09, 2022, 04:02:13 PM »
No, it's because the shooters don't want to get shot. They are mentally ill, not stupid.

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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #145 on: June 09, 2022, 05:00:19 PM »
No, it's because the shooters don't want to get shot. They are mentally ill, not stupid.
Then why do most of them shoot themselves?

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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #146 on: June 09, 2022, 05:02:50 PM »
The right to vote was left up to the states; see Article I Section 2, and Article 2 Section I.  The Civil War changed that; see 14th Amendment, Section 2 and 15th Amendment Section 1.  Women, of course, didn't get the right until the 19th Amendment in the 20th Century, and children didn't get the right until 1971 and the 26th Amendment.

Given that chronology, there appears to be a fairly convincing argument that guns were valued more than popular voting.

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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #147 on: June 09, 2022, 05:25:23 PM »
True, non assault rifles have a safety select and a semi auto selection

"Try buying one. Selective fire makes it an assault rifle as far as the term has any real meaning..."

Debunked above

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What are you saying here? Is it that having the ability to push a button/lever to “safety” (trigger is locked/blocked) means the gun has selective fire?

They're casting their bait over there, see?

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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #148 on: June 09, 2022, 05:49:27 PM »
Maybe it's just the advantage of a detached view (but thank you):old:


Yes I agree cars cause a lot of casualties. Just two subtle points: people-in-cars-hours is incredibly high, immeseaurably so. So the risk footprint is permanent, essentially. Cars for the most part, to a statistical degree almost entirely cause accidental, not deliberate casualties. There's probably way more assaults with garden implements which are also needed. Secondly we do make alterations to cars, the infrastructure and the boundries of interactions with other modes of transport such as pedestrians and cyclists.

Take the Netherlands as an example. It was not always cycling / pedestrian-friendly. In the 70s the people decided not to go the car-centric inner-city route with massive protests and petitions which changed things. You guys have this whole ammendment system which suggests your culture makes provision for adaptation.

It's simply not feasible for a lot of Americans to not have cars. Heck, a lot of people drive 40 minutes to work and back. Everything is just so spread out here.

There is something very sinister with these "mass shootings". The people are always under psychiatric supervision. Ie, they are already getting "help". They always shoot random people. This is big because it's illogical. If the kid is being bullied, why shoot random kids and not your bully? Where do they get the money for this stuff if they are getting psychiatric help? 4gs is a LOT for a 17 year old. They are always known  by the FBI and on watch. There's always strange things going on around the crime scene. There is something always off about these events. I wish you guys would look into this stuff and really dig deep into these people rather than towing the narrative for the MSM. Things like this never have happened, especially against random people. There is something far more sinister going on.
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Re: Something you won't find in your mainstream media
« Reply #149 on: June 09, 2022, 06:04:45 PM »
Then why do most of them shoot themselves?

That's usually part of their plan. They just don't want to get shot early, before they finish.