Something you won't find in your mainstream media

[decoy]

What would u call it?
Select safety... no fire... select non-safety... fire
 

The only place I've heard the term 'select fire' spoken was in the military.  The M-16-A1 and A2 had the switch on the lower receiver, on the left, and selections were 'safe,' 'fire,' and 'auto.' Later versions of that switch allowed the shooter to shoot a three round burst rather than full auto.  My opinion is that a simple on/off safety switch doesn't mean 'select fire.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_fire

[Eagler]

So where does the live streaming of these horrific acts fit into the gun control issue?

That is mental illness .. a sad sick cry for attention

Eagler

[Vulcan]

Just an update ON-TOPIC for you lot.

Jacinda Adern: "I'm not interested in tokenistic measures, I'm not interested in things that are just there for the politics of it - let's do something that will make a difference."


This is the same prime minister that rushed through poorly written laws in reaction to the christchurch mass shooting, and kicked off a gun buyback scheme that has been an abysmal failure.

[FLS]

What would u call it?
Select safety... no fire... select non-safety... fire
 

It's not a mystery.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_fire

[RotBaron]

And in other news from New Zealand, cow flatulence is a hot topic again 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/06/09/cow-farts-and-burps-to-be-taxed-for-climate-change-in-backdoor-meat-tax/

[SIM]

Select safety... no fire... select non-safety... fire

It's not a mystery.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_fire

Please FLS, tell us that you actually understand that the "safety", and selective fire options on a gun, SAID GUN HAVING BOTH, are two separate devices.
 A safety prevents the gun from being fired so long as the safety is in the safe position.
 A selective fire "switch" allows the weapon to be fired in the modes that are available for that particular model of gun.

 If the safety is in the "safe" position, the selective fire switch has no function as the safety prevents the gun from being fired.

 Contrary to what has been posted previously in this thread, not ALL guns have a selective switch as not ALL guns can fire in a multiple round mode on a single trigger pull.

[decoy]

Please FLS, tell us that you actually understand that the "safety", and selective fire options on a gun, SAID GUN HAVING BOTH, are two separate devices.
 A safety prevents the gun from being fired so long as the safety is in the safe position.
 A selective fire "switch" allows the weapon to be fired in the modes that are available for that particular model of gun.

 If the safety is in the "safe" position, the selective fire switch has no function as the safety prevents the gun from being fired.

 Contrary to what has been posted previously in this thread, not ALL guns have a selective switch as not ALL guns can fire in a multiple round mode on a single trigger pull.

If you had followed the links provided, you'd know that the safety/select fire switch is the same switch.  It's not available on civilian model carbines.  To own a select fire rifle, not only do you have to jump through the hoops of the BATF&E, you can only purchase a select fire model that was available in the civilian market before 1986.  Here's the link, but I have no hope that you'll read it and educate yourself.

https://rocketffl.com/who-can-own-a-full-auto-machine-gun/

[SIM]

Here's the link, but I have no hope that you'll read it and educate yourself.

Well, thanks for that! I read thru the relevant posts where the conversation was about a "safety" and a selective fire switch. That was what I was trying to address.  The difference between the two and that all weapons don't necessarily have both OR either.

Your reading comprehension is a bit lacking isn't it?

I'd bet a very large sum that I know more about firearms laws and regulations than you do. Either way, your snide comment is just that, the snide comment of a handsomehunk.

[FLS]

Please FLS, tell us that you actually understand that the "safety", and selective fire options on a gun, SAID GUN HAVING BOTH, are two separate devices.
 ...

On the Italian Police Full Auto Beretta pistol they are separate devices. Happy now?  Usually it's just one 3 way switch.

[Chalenge]

This was actually discussed BEFORE the Constitution was designated the law of the land (as well as Jefferson's preference to an end to slavery). Sam Adams had a lot to say about it, and his writings are easy to find, as are Franklin's. The "militia" was supposed to be well practiced in the use of current military firearms, so that they could be called up at a moment's notice for the common defense. The AR-15 is ideally suited for this, because it is so easy to use, maintain, and affordable to everyone. On the downside it is easy to abuse, as well.

Still, the gun is not the problem.

The problem is our society has grown more immature, while there is no security in place to protect immaturity from accessing lethal means.

We are at a crossroads now where the legal age to own firearms may be raised above the age for military indoctrination. Instead, I think we should mentor our kids into familiarity with firearms, and every time someone buys their first weapon they should be forced to buy a gun safe. The Sheriffs could then have surprise inspections to see the safes are in proper use. Then, if an adult screws up and their kid gets out a gun and goes on a rampage the adult would be prosecuted too. The mentors could also assess the mental health and maturity of individuals and their ability to buy firearms curbed as needed.

Just a suggestion you'll never see come out of Washington.

Geeze guys. Read more.

[FLS]

It's also useful to have arms that can use the same ammo and magazines as the military.

[SIM]

On the Italian Police Full Auto Beretta pistol they are separate devices. Happy now?  Usually it's just one 3 way switch.

Not very familiar with guns in general are ya?

A weapon designed for a multiple round firing mode will have a 3 way switch at times. But semiautomatic weapons most often only have a "safety". Nothing more for the firing of multiple rounds on one trigger pull.

[RotBaron]

Good ideas seldom come from politicians in my experience, usually the good ideas are hatched before they are elected.

If a 16 y/o takes their car or someone else’s and drives into a crowd of people killing and maiming them, should we charge their parents/guardians for the crime?  I see doing this with guns as a very slippery slope.

[guncrasher]

The only place I've heard the term 'select fire' spoken was in the military.  The M-16-A1 and A2 had the switch on the lower receiver, on the left, and selections were 'safe,' 'fire,' and 'auto.' Later versions of that switch allowed the shooter to shoot a three round burst rather than full auto.  My opinion is that a simple on/off safety switch doesn't mean 'select fire.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_fire

you guys realize that the only reason I posted that as a joke.  it's funny.  select not fire (safe, safety, whatever) or fire.  it can also be called selective fire.  you have 2 options, select to fire or select to no fire.

but in reality, ar15 was designed to send as many rounds down range as you can pull the trigger assuming you still have bullets.  same as the m16-a2 rifle that I used, except it had another option to send a 3 round burst. so like 90% of the time I fired my m16 in non assault mode (single round).  what is the different between that and the ar15?  not a thing.

ar15 is an assault weapon, designed to kill as many as you can same as the m16 or the m4 or whatever rifle they will select next.  same as the m1 that was widely used in ww2.


ar15 with a bump stock what is the difference between that an the m16-a2.  I could only fire 3 round burst, bump stock you can basically fire on full auto. wouldnt that make it an assault weapon?  oh no because selective fire is not there.

some like to argue about nothing.


semp

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edit:  just in case you missed it slow it down. it says safe, fire, no burst, no auto.

[Chalenge]

  what is the different between that and the ar15?  not a thing.

ar15 is an assault weapon, designed to kill as many as you can same as the m16 or the m4 or whatever rifle they will select next.
semp

That's the point; same deadly weapon to fight whatever. What use is a non-deadly weapon to a militia.

The new military rifle uses ammo with a steel head on the round, because of the 80,000 psi chamber pressure meant to overcome the enemies plate armor. So, now the AR is not as useful.

I recommend the M1A with tungsten core ammo . . . you know, if you need to fight invaders with plate armor. West Coasters should heed that news.