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Offline CptTrips

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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #150 on: July 11, 2022, 03:16:51 PM »
Quote from: LCADolby on July 11, 2022, 03:11:20 PM
98.36% of statistics are wrong

And the other 50% are lies.  ;)
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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #151 on: July 11, 2022, 03:20:46 PM »
Quote from: CptTrips on July 11, 2022, 03:16:51 PM
And the other 50% are lies.  ;)

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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #152 on: July 11, 2022, 03:25:48 PM »
So my eyes are lying again when I see 100's of illegals running and walking across the border daily...

But they say we need those illegals for the jobs we pay our unemployed not to work

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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #153 on: July 11, 2022, 03:32:04 PM »
Quote from: Eagler on July 11, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
So my eyes are lying again when I see 100's of illegals running and walking across the border daily...


Did anyone in this thread claim illegal immigration wasn't occurring?
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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #154 on: July 11, 2022, 03:42:43 PM »
Quote from: Eagler on July 11, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
So my eyes are lying again when I see 100's of illegals running and walking across the border daily...

But they say we need those illegals for the jobs we pay our unemployed not to work

Eagler

didn't know you live at the border.  do you stay up 24/7 counting them?

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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #155 on: July 11, 2022, 03:58:32 PM »
Quote from: guncrasher on July 11, 2022, 03:42:43 PM
didn't know you live at the border.  do you stay up 24/7 counting them?

semp

Many of us have electricity and TVs. The number is in the thousands and not hundreds.

When people that support crime are the victims of crime, it makes me smile.
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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #156 on: July 11, 2022, 03:59:11 PM »
OK, I see what you are meaning.

No, what I posted is not Proof of crossing vs. time.  To get such would require omniscience.

Therefore, government agencies and research organizations (Pew Research, for example) use encounters as the basis for analysis, reports of effectiveness, and conclusions regarding amount of illegal immigration.

I do likewise.
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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #157 on: July 11, 2022, 04:07:13 PM »
Quote from: Shuffler on July 11, 2022, 03:58:32 PM
Many of us have electricity and TVs. The number is in the thousands and not hundreds.

When people that support crime are the victims of crime, it makes me smile.

are them talking boxes streaming  live from the border.


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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #158 on: July 11, 2022, 04:08:09 PM »
Quote from: Shuffler on July 11, 2022, 03:58:32 PM
Many of us have electricity and TVs. The number is in the thousands and not hundreds.

When people that support crime are the victims of crime, it makes me smile.

What channel is providing you an accurate, up-to-date count?
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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #159 on: July 11, 2022, 04:17:44 PM »
Quote from: Brooke on July 11, 2022, 03:59:11 PM
No, what I posted is not Proof of crossing vs. time.  To get such would require omniscience.

Exactly.  Which is what I was trying to explain to Rush before he went all DmonSlyer and frothing at the mouth.

You can't know the crossing numbers and trying to use that as a proxy might have a weak correlation.  It could also be from improvements in technology and methods of interdiction.

However, as I posted, if you want to run that thought experiment, that the 2021, 2022 are not that out of whack with Trump's 2019 numbers if you consider population growth and make up immigration from those who did not cross over in 2020 due to the pandemic.

So no one has claimed that no illegal immigration has occurred, although the most shocking increase in the numbers Rush posted occurred in Trump's 2019 year.  Then Rush decided he didn't like his numbers so much anymore.


 
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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #160 on: July 11, 2022, 06:29:03 PM »
Quote from: CptTrips on July 11, 2022, 03:15:44 PM
I'm not sure what you're frothing at the mouth about.  I'm commenting on the data you posted.  Don't you remember doing that?

These are the numbers you posted.  I'm sorry that you don't like them now that they've been explained to you.

And I reminded you of the events that were taking place at the border that year.  Frothing at the mouth ...
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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #161 on: July 11, 2022, 06:46:21 PM »
Quote from: CptTrips on July 11, 2022, 04:17:44 PM
Exactly.  Which is what I was trying to explain to Rush before he went all DmonSlyer and frothing at the mouth.

You can't know the crossing numbers and trying to use that as a proxy might have a weak correlation.  It could also be from improvements in technology and methods of interdiction.

However, as I posted, if you want to run that thought experiment, that the 2021, 2022 are not that out of whack with Trump's 2019 numbers if you consider population growth and make up immigration from those who did not cross over in 2020 due to the pandemic.

So no one has claimed that no illegal immigration has occurred, although the most shocking increase in the numbers Rush posted occurred in Trump's 2019 year.  Then Rush decided he didn't like his numbers so much anymore.


 


Actually, '19 is not the most shocking if you understand math and there was an obvious event that caused it (as I touched on) as it only lasted one of four years under Trump.

You still have not explained why the spike under Biden, though, and why there are no signs of it calming back down.  This is considered a trend.

Also, there are plenty of studies showing the population increase of illegals within the U.S. under Biden compared to previous years. 
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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #162 on: July 11, 2022, 06:56:13 PM »
Quote from: RUSH1 on July 11, 2022, 06:46:21 PM

Actually, '19 is not the most shocking if you understand math and there was an obvious event that caused it


Yeah.  The event was apparently Trump's mis-management.

So in a sense I guess it wasn't shocking.  Pretty much par for the course.

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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #163 on: July 11, 2022, 07:10:05 PM »
Quote from: CptTrips on July 11, 2022, 06:56:13 PM
Yeah.  The event was apparently Trump's mis-management.

So in a sense I guess it wasn't shocking.  Pretty much par for the course.

So if you are saying that Trump mismanaged '19, you must also be admitting he managed the other 3 years pretty well.  It would also indicate that you feel Biden has not only mismanaged the border since taking office, but mismanaged it much worse than Trump.
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Re: Who wants a secure border?
« Reply #164 on: July 11, 2022, 07:14:50 PM »
Quote from: RUSH1 on July 11, 2022, 07:10:05 PM
So if you are saying that Trump mismanaged '19, you must also be admitting he managed the other 3 years pretty well.

Look like it took him a couple of years to screw it up.  Then the pandemic saved him in the last year.
But 2019.  Jeez.  What was he thinking?  Too busy trying to hump his daughter?
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