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Offline Grendel

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What do you want to learn? Ask from the WW2 AF veterans.
« on: February 21, 2001, 12:36:00 PM »
And in my struggle to find people who have questions to WW2 airmen I keep bugging boards and asking if there is anything people would like to know. Any issues they   would like more information about? Any questions? Tactics? Plane systems?

We've been pretty successful lately with meeting Finnish Air Force veterans. We have some quite active virtual pilots here in Tampere Finland area, and we just agreed with local  WW2 AF veterans that we'll invite them to a restaurant, one by one, and fill them with good food and drinks at our expense. Meanwhile we will chat with them, listen stories and get to ask dozens of hard questions.

I got a nice list of questions that people have already supplied me, but I of course want more - more - more. Interesting things that you out there think we should ask  from the AF veterans.

We have quite a long list of people we will meet, either here at Tampere or then at Oulu, where local veterans are very active and our guys have visited two of their meetings. Got GREAT material from those meetings. Just need guys to help in translation, so getting them to english will take some time...

These Air Force people include:

Fighter pilots who have flown between 1939 and 1945. Biplane, Fokker, Fiat G.50,  Curtiss Hawk, Brewster, Me 109 and so on pilots.

Bomber pilots, gunners, navigators from Blenheims, Ju-88s, Dornier 17s....

Recon people, mechanics and so on.

People who fought in our one, two or three wars between 39-45, against Soviet Union or Germany.

So, guys - what do you want to know? Help me grow my list of interesting subjects I should bring up - and get on paper, tape, video or something - and then later to Internet.

Shoot!

If you want to see what we did last time, read about the visit of three WW2 pilots in the latest finnish virtual pilots convention, Urban Blitz 2001: http://www.compart.fi/icebreakers/WW2History-Blitz01.html

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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2001, 05:25:00 PM »
I am processing another interview currently. I translated one story told by Esko Tervo, Dornier Do 17 gunner/radio operator from Finnish Air Force. A little preview what kidn of material is coming. Fast, unedited, uncorrected rough translation.
Esko Tervo and the last flight of a Dornier 17

It was like any normal trip. Kind of nervous skies. 11th june 1944. Ruskies started coming over the Rajajoki-river (border river) and it wasn't very good flying weather. We were ordered to bomb from 400 meters altitude. Target was tank columns in the road. Intelligence said there was 30 kilometers long tank column coming. So we sent up everything that could carry a bomb. Six Dorniers took up. One returned without going to the target.

We were hit after Kivennapa, as there was no clear front lines. Some forces were making counter attack, some were retreating, some were in reserve and didn't just had a clue. We were hit into fuel tank. The cockpit walls broke quite fast and burning gasoline started pouring inside. Most likely it was a 40mm AA gun but I am not sure. If it had been 20mm then there would have so much shooting that all wouldn't have hit, and we would have seen the tracers.

So, happened that I was in the underside gunner's position. Guys jumped from the top hatch - and the wall of fire turned upwards so I  couldn't anymore go there. We tried to open the bottom hatch with the bombardier but it was stuck. He pulled the forced release level while I was jumping on the hatch. So I just dropped out of the plane when the bottom gondole came off.

But the bombardier didn't follow. Could be that the open bottom hatch turned the wall of fire downwards - and he was burned. Burning gasoline pouring in - no much chances… And the plane came down in a ball of fire.

I still had enough senses left to extinguys the fires from me and then opened the chute. And then I thought that I might not die now after all.

It seems that the plane turned into climb when the pilot jumped. While hanging in the chute I watched how one of the guys was lower and the plane turned upside down and went down. I wondered why the guy is twisting in the chute, flexing his legs. Did his chute have a hole? No - the neighbours were shooting a lot from downwards, and he was hit at his ass.

When we landed, there were long whitewoods and we both ended hanging at with, in our chutes. I managed to get down and helped the other guy off the tree. I took him in my back and started running. I ran as long as I could and when I couldn't continue anymore I crawled under a whitewood and dragged the other guy into hiding as well. I then tried to bandage him tearing pieces of my shirt, but he said "no, dont tear the shirt, it is army's property."

So we took some breath and listened what is happening. Then we heard strange sounding talking. Ruskies! Peeked out. They were walking in a long line, searching. Passed us without noticing. But something was strange at them. And they were Finns after all, just Swedish talking. They took us to the first aid station behind our lines, and I called my unit I'm ok, and started getting my way back to base.

I wasn't hurt, just face was burned.


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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2001, 06:20:00 PM »
Thanks....great story!  


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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2001, 02:29:00 PM »
The bravest man

Told by a veteran pilot who flew either Fokkers or Gladiator fighters. (details coming later)

During the last weeks of Winter War the Russian fighters were constatly over our field. Near place called Yrjölantalo was a bunker, that had an anti aircraft machine gun, built from a Maxim machine gun. The machine gun had always two men. Once the Russian I-16s were able to surprise us, the only time during whole Winter War when they surprised us so that we couldn't take off.

One of the I-16s started to make attack runs against the anti aircraft machine gun. "I saw the bravest man ever there, the bravest one I have ever seen." The I-16 fighter and the machine gun fired at each other, head to head, many times, and the gunner had no protection at all. The gun even stood on a pole so there was absolutely nothing to protect him. And the gunner won. The I-16 started to smoke and had to make a forced landing. "It is a hard situation, when you are face to face. A tough man who stays behind the machine gun then."


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