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Offline IntelDan

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Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« on: June 21, 2023, 08:01:57 PM »
I am the younger brother of Challenger and his wife has asked me to contenue his work. I'm not an expert at souns and I'm very busy at SOCOM but I will work on them when I can.

If you know about problems you might post in this topic. I will chek here from now and then. Don't expect miracles cause there more than 40TB of file to go through.

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Re: Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2023, 08:09:23 PM »
Very excellent.

I was trying to get access but no luck. 4t would have been hard to transfer anyway. Glad someone got into it. There are not a lot to fix from what I heard. Just minor tweaks for a few files. Let me/us know if ya need any help.
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Re: Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2023, 08:45:34 PM »
I am the younger brother of Challenger and his wife has asked me to contenue his work. I'm not an expert at souns and I'm very busy at SOCOM but I will work on them when I can.

If you know about problems you might post in this topic. I will chek here from now and then. Don't expect miracles cause there more than 40TB of file to go through.

Thats great! Its awesome to see "Challengers" work, and love continue.

Animal is a sound guy as well. Im sure he would be happy to work with you/help out with the sounds.... well after he gets through the NASCAR weekend in Chicago.  :rolleyes:

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Re: Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2023, 01:37:39 PM »
I am the younger brother of Challenger and his wife has asked me to contenue his work. I'm not an expert at souns and I'm very busy at SOCOM but I will work on them when I can.

If you know about problems you might post in this topic. I will chek here from now and then. Don't expect miracles cause there more than 40TB of file to go through.

This is great to hear! <S>

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Re: Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2023, 07:12:46 PM »
The sound themselves I think a fantastic. My issue if any is that they are all different volumes. In order to use then you have to change the sound settings each time you fly a new plane. Some are super loud and some are not, etc.

The quality I think is great unless someone more technical disagrees.
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Re: Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2023, 09:47:07 PM »
The sound themselves I think a fantastic. My issue if any is that they are all different volumes. In order to use then you have to change the sound settings each time you fly a new plane. Some are super loud and some are not, etc.

The quality I think is great unless someone more technical disagrees.

It's great quality.

Hard to say without knowing exactly the process he used,....but,..your description sounds like every file used needs to be individually "Normalized" to 0. This will put all the sounds/files at the same level, being 0.  This is more time consuming than difficult, unless a batch option is available. Only after that should any mixing of volumes take place. This will bring more realistic sound immersion. If Normalize was not done, and then is done, there would need to be some remixing when he uses a few sounds in the same file, like an engine & prop noise mix.

That said, sliding off subject, I think I read where they were rendered in the .bank files as .ogg files....If so, I suggest the end product in the rendered .bank file should be .aac (lossless). .aac quality is almost equal to .wav, yet smaller file size (less compression). .ogg (high compression) is just slightly better then mp3. The more it's edited and saved the more quality damage it takes. Just a suggestion, nothing more.

Just happy someone gets to dig into them and make a few fixes.
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Re: Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2023, 09:59:51 PM »
I am the younger brother of Challenger and his wife has asked me to contenue his work. I'm not an expert at souns and I'm very busy at SOCOM but I will work on them when I can.

If you know about problems you might post in this topic. I will chek here from now and then. Don't expect miracles cause there more than 40TB of file to go through.

There was a mention of hearing some approaching plane's engines start, even though already flying.
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Re: Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2023, 10:08:43 PM »
There was a mention of hearing some approaching plane's engines start, even though already flying. This may be a setting between the stationary listener, and the moving listener, not being separate. Such as, Moving listener is walking away from Stationary listener. The moving listener hears his own steady foot-step volume. The stationary listener should hear them moving away, instead hears what the moving listener is hearing a steady volume of himself, or combination of both. There are settings to who hears what. This is just my guess. He MAY have forgotten to make these settings on a couple files.

This problem occurs on the P-51D for sure.  I'd describe it as: when I'm flying along and a P-51D comes into range, instead of hearing his running engine increase in volume as he gets closer (and pitch due to Doppler effect) - what I hear is the engine start routine - the sound of an engine sputtering into life.  It seems like its playing the wrong file completely.

I also noticed in GVs, when you stop your engine, after it has stopped, you get an echo of your engine stop sound played a few seconds later.

Hope that helps!

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Re: Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2023, 10:30:36 PM »
I edited my post because I thought I might be getting too far ahead of things and too deep.

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Re: Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2023, 09:28:54 PM »
There was a mention of hearing some approaching plane's engines start, even though already flying.

This problem occurs on the P-51D for sure.  I'd describe it as: when I'm flying along and a P-51D comes into range, instead of hearing his running engine increase in volume as he gets closer (and pitch due to Doppler effect) - what I hear is the engine start routine - the sound of an engine sputtering into life.  It seems like its playing the wrong file completely.


This always confuses me in fights.  It happens with all planes that I've been in or encountered.  But, I think it only occurs on the first instance the plane comes into range.  I will have to pay more attention next time.
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Re: Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2023, 05:16:10 AM »
My home computer doesn't have the same setup as my brothers does. I tried comparing the ebgine sounds and his has much better bass. I turned on DTS and still think it needs equalizer adjustments.

I ordered better headphones. Maybe thet will help.

Its taking forever to get my Honeycomb controllers setup to. Does this game support the Logitech gauges?

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Re: Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2023, 08:59:30 AM »
I dont use it because of the volume differences in planes. One will be low while others scream...
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Re: Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2023, 07:38:01 PM »
My home computer doesn't have the same setup as my brothers does. I tried comparing the ebgine sounds and his has much better bass. I turned on DTS and still think it needs equalizer adjustments.

I ordered better headphones. Maybe thet will help.

Its taking forever to get my Honeycomb controllers setup to. Does this game support the Logitech gauges?

Headphones are a great help, rarely many have the same speakers. There's not much happening in AC sounds below 50hz, nor above 8k, you should be fine. Personally I use Bose HPs

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Re: Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2023, 09:01:28 PM »
I discovered hi secret. He was using DTS and high power headphones (600 ohm) with SBX. He had the ZxR card and I never found one, so I settled for the AE-9 version. The bass is strong now.

It would be helpful if there was a list of the planes that 'scream.'

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Re: Challenger's Sounds Recovered
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2023, 07:20:47 AM »
The P-38s (J and L, at least - probably also the G) have sorta unpleasant engine sounds.  The is one of the aircraft where I need to turn my own Engine Sound down to 10% or so when I fly it.

I'll have to compare it to the P-40Ns Allison engine.   I suppose the difference would be the sound of the turbocharger in the '38, but its actually unpleasant to listen to.