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Hunga Tonga
« on: August 09, 2023, 07:29:00 PM »
I've mentioned this in another thread, here are two links. The prediction is for 1.5 C temp rise in many places for a few years due to the extra water in the upper atmosphere.

https://essopenarchive.org/users/304243/articles/657090-long-term-surface-impact-of-hunga-tonga-hunga-ha-apai-like-stratospheric-water-vapor-injection

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere

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Re: Hunga Tonga
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2023, 07:33:34 PM »
first paragraph on your link says it's unclear.


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Re: Hunga Tonga
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2023, 06:56:40 AM »
first paragraph on your link says it's unclear.


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The study also says it's unprecedented. Volcanos tend to be in deep water or on land. The UN is warning of a "summer of boiling" from 'climate change'. Hyperbole but we've seen a lot of heat records broken recently. The point is that the recent rise is not man made warming, it's not carbon emissions from cars, it's a volcano. We'll see in the next few years how accurate the article is.


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Re: Hunga Tonga
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2023, 10:35:42 AM »
If it happens above the ocean surface...

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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2023, 10:40:49 AM »
https://www.livescience.com/planet-earth/volcanos/the-12-biggest-volcanic-eruptions-in-recorded-history

Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai, 2022 (VEI 5.7)

The Kingdom of Tonga, located in the South Pacific, experienced one of the biggest eruptions in recorded history in 2022. The submarine volcano first began to rumble in December 2021, the eruption started on Jan. 13, 2022 and it reached its steamy climax on Jan. 15, 2022.

Because the volcano is underwater, seawater that came into contact with the erupting magma was instantly superheated. As a result, the blast, which measured a VEI 5.7, injected 50 million tons (45 million metric tons) of water vapor into the atmosphere, or enough to warm the planet for years. The blast extended for 162 miles (260 kilometers) and a pillar of ash, steam and gas stretched 12 miles (20 km) into the air, the tallest in recorded history, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

The giant blast released energy equivalent to more than 100 Hiroshima bombs, NASA said.

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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2023, 11:25:27 AM »
At any one time, 40 to 50 volcanos are erupting on earth.
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2023, 11:48:50 AM »
Dont worry. More solar panels, electric cars, and the banning of combustion engines will offset a volcano because the science says so!
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2023, 01:31:10 PM »
Yellowstone goes we all go

Make Maui look like a vacation

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Re: Hunga Tonga
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2023, 06:38:28 PM »
Highly recomend this Utube channel on volcanos. New posts every day.

https://youtu.be/L4bchPrxLq0
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2023, 06:21:19 AM »
Dont worry. More solar panels, electric cars, and the banning of combustion engines will offset a volcano because the science says so!

If only the electric buses worked we would have been saved... https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/on-small-business/2023/08/09/biden-backed-bus-maker-got-millions-in-us-aid-before-bankruptcy/78aea0d6-36ef-11ee-ac4e-e707870e43db_story.html

Just another https://www.factcheck.org/2011/10/obamas-solyndra-problem/

Nothing but money moving from one pocket to another

None of it will change the triple digit heat index we have had this year..

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Re: Hunga Tonga
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2023, 12:50:31 PM »
At any one time, 40 to 50 volcanos are erupting on earth.

And this is the only one known to have blown water vapor into the upper atmosphere. A rare even that will affect the weather in ways we aren't used to.

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2023, 12:57:54 PM »
And this is the only one known to have blown water vapor into the upper atmosphere. A rare even that will affect the weather in ways we aren't used to.

This is true and until recently it was believed that there would most likely be a cooling effect.
Considering the weather this year, I'd have to agree with the initial belief, it's been way off the temperatures of last year especially.
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2023, 01:22:50 PM »
If only the electric buses worked we would have been saved... https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/on-small-business/2023/08/09/biden-backed-bus-maker-got-millions-in-us-aid-before-bankruptcy/78aea0d6-36ef-11ee-ac4e-e707870e43db_story.html

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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2023, 01:24:21 PM »
And this is the only one known to have blown water vapor into the upper atmosphere. A rare even that will affect the weather in ways we aren't used to.

It’s quite difficult to get water vapor into the stratosphere. If a Volcano, the eruption would need to break the tropopause which in that latitude would be 60k


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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2023, 03:54:50 PM »
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