Poland

[LCADolby]

And if you had read Minsk Agreement, you might have noticed that separatists were more to blame.

This is why you must never make such an oversight, I makes anything you say worthless.
All those Shells falling on the Ukrainian East civilian population for months and months were not from the Separatists
Who knows what else you're missing. In fact you're cooked and irrelevant in 2 exchanges..

[fd ski]

This is why you must never make such an oversight, I makes anything you say worthless.
All those Shells falling on the Ukrainian East civilian population for months and months were not from the Separatists
Who knows what else you're missing. In fact you're cooked and irrelevant in 2 exchanges..

Can you share some reputable sources on those casualties ?
Separatists ? Same ones who happen to be armed with Russian army tanks and Sams to down airliners with ? Spontaneous types, ain't they ?

[fd ski]

Because weakness plays into the hands of Evil.  Dictators have always relied on the "Useful Idiots" in the West they can feed propaganda to and know they are ripe to believe it if it can be tailored to their existing bias and self-narrative.  They are always trying to get the West to surrender and convince everyone that it only has itself to blame for a dictators(terrorists) aggression.  It's always blame the victim and excuse the perpetrator.  The dictator is always the real victim.  If they can blame it all on the US government then they are all in.

It sounds so familiar on so many levels.

Give Eagler a break. He's a good guy. He's been issued bunch of weird info, packaged in good intentions and at least he's asking questions without being an a....le about it. If you want to make an impact, educate him. Insulting him does nobody anything good.


Eagler, nobody in UA wanted the war. If Russia was to withdraw from their territory, war would end right there and then.
All the bs floating around about "there is no such nation as ukraine, this has always been russia, people are russian just nazis control them, blah blah blah" is just that. BS. Russia wants to rebuild its empires. Mafia running the country distracts its populace from ever present poverty by giving them "we're powerful and fighting" line, and historically this always worked well in russia. In 2014 they did the same thing that they did in Azerbejdżan, Georgia and Modlova. Annexed portion of independent nation creating puppet state, unrecognized by anyone, controlled by russian army. Goal is simple - destabilize remaining nation, leave door open for invasion down the road, create excuses.

Putin is getting old and he wanted to put a crowing touch on his legacy. Instead he killed thousands and destroyed russia. No matter how the war ends, things will never be the same. And there is only one side at fault. There is no "secret agenda" here. Yes, lot of people are benefiting from it, but it wouldn't have been possible if he hasn't pulled the trigger.

He's also the only one who can make it stop. It only takes one sentence.

[LCADolby]

Can you share some reputable sources on those casualties ?
Separatists ? Same ones who happen to be armed with Russian army tanks and Sams to down airliners with ? Spontaneous types, ain't they ?

There is always that CNN reporter that interviewed a survivor and how he "no longer sees them as our countrymen". Ukrainian on Ukrainian.

Airliner in the same breath, come on my guy.. The Taliban are currently supplied with US Military arms. Lets go round and round until we are dizzy.

[CptTrips]

If you want to make an impact, educate him. Insulting him does nobody anything good.

There is no education possible.  He has all the information in front of him we all do.  It is a simple moral choice not an information issue.  The facts have painstakingly been pointed out to him multiple times.  He prefers the Kremlin position.  I have no patience for those who intentionally choose Putin over America and the West.

He and DmonSlayer choose Putin's talking points over obvious right and wrong.  They are actively and intentionally amplifying and advancing Kremlin talking points.  They are acting as foreign agents whether they know it or not. 

Same choice as when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939.  Resistance or appeasement. 

[GasTeddy]

This is why you must never make such an oversight, I makes anything you say worthless.
All those Shells falling on the Ukrainian East civilian population for months and months were not from the Separatists
Who knows what else you're missing. In fact you're cooked and irrelevant in 2 exchanges..

Thank you very much for your intelligent expert analysis. With how many Ukrainians have you been talking with? Do you know anyone who was there then? In what resources (except russian ones) you found all that info?

I happen to live not so far from that area. I happen to know people who lived there. I happen to know people who fought there. But of course, they all lie. All those russian speaking Ukrainians, who live nowadays in my hometown and escaped their liberators, they all invent stories. Truth is in russian pravda, ruski mir and novorossia from Vladivostok to Iberian peninsula.

May everyone become blessed in his faith. I trust more eyewitness stories.

[DmonSlyr]

There is no education possible.  He has all the information in front of him we all do.  It is a simple moral choice not an information issue.  The facts have painstakingly been pointed out to him multiple times.  He prefers the Kremlin position.  I have no patience for those who intentionally choose Putin over America and the West.

He and DmonSlayer choose Putin's talking points over obvious right and wrong.  They are actively and intentionally amplifying and advancing Kremlin talking points.  They are acting as foreign agents whether they know it or not. 

Same choice as when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939.  Resistance or appeasement.

That is an incredibly false statement. And once again, one sided opinion acting an entire half of the globe."America and the west" aren't "one thing" they are different countries with their own constitutions and cultures. . I don't read any "Russian propaganda". I don't approach the issue on "everything the other country said is all BS". Especially after you and a bunch of folk claimed Russia stole the election for 45 and 45 is a Russian puppet, that's the real Propaganda that really pisses me off, to sow division in America BEFORE 2024 election and spend 100m on Mueller BS, so why TF should I trust anything these medias say about what is going on now? Especially when 46 had to threaten prosecutors over there for his sons actions BEFORE 45 was even president? That's the real crime pall. You all sit here and pretend there was nothing going on. It's just ridiculous. No, I don't trust "the west" because it's all just the "UN" who didn't do a damn thing to stop this war from even happening when Putin expressed his issues to the UN. I hate this type of grouping. It would then be "the west" who funded Covid. Imagine how that sounds. "The west killed tens of millions by funding covid research THAT DIDNT NEED TO BE FUNDED FOR ANYTHING. No, it wasn't the "west", it was a group of deranged people who funded that research and development. America is being embarrassed by this BS. I don't accept this as a "American position" to shrug off corruption within it for "the agenda". Screw that.  America has NO RIGHT to be manipulating Ukraine with corruption, in a non Nato country of all places, right under Russia of all places, who has been disrespectful to Russia since 45 ran for president. Just like Russia had no right to build rockets in Cuba.

You're right, weakness does promote evil, that's why it's all happening under 46.

[Eagler]

Thanks again for your insight fd ski

CptTrips

Please seek help

Praying the killing stops before it can't be stopped

To mention assassination is against the law is laughable...didn't help the Iranian general that got a face full of drone a few years back..

(Psst CptTrips - I am not for Iran either)

Can anyone confirm if our $$ sent to Ukraine are actually paying salaries and pensions as some reports here state we are?

With 33 trillion in debt not sure how we can afford that if true...

Eagler

[guncrasher]

Thanks again for your insight fd ski

CptTrips

Please seek help

Praying the killing stops before it can't be stopped

To mention assassination is against the law is laughable...didn't help the Iranian general that got a face full of drone a few years back..

(Psst CptTrips - I am not for Iran either)

Can anyone confirm if our $$ sent to Ukraine are actually paying salaries and pensions as some reports here state we are?

With 33 trillion in debt not sure how we can afford that if true...

Eagler

you confusing assassinating world leaders to a military target. that salamander was responsible for many american lives.  same as bid ladin, he was a leader but a military target.


semp

[CptTrips]

Praying the killing stops before it can't be stopped

The killing can stop the very second Russia begins it's withdrawal back to it's own borders. 

That is a truth I have not seen you admit once. Interesting.

[Eagler]

The killing can stop the very second Russia begins it's withdrawal back to it's own borders. 

That is a truth I have not seen you admit once. Interesting.

Of course I would be all for that scenario..who wouldn't be

You think oddly for someone who seems to be an intelligent fellow ...and you slam dmslyr for his views...

Good point semp

Eagler

[CptTrips]

Of course I would be all for that scenario..

And that should include a complete withdrawal of all forces from Crimea and the Donetsk as well.

Then only thing left to negotiate then is reparations.  At least if they are interested in ever seeing sanctions lifted.

[Eagler]

And that should include a complete withdrawal of all forces from Crimea and the Donetsk as well.

Then only thing left to negotiate then is reparations.  At least if they are interested in ever seeing sanctions lifted.

All for that too

Not for bankruptcy or pushing into a nuclear conflict

Need a neutral 3rd party to start peace talks now imo

But it seems the globe wants war, death, misery... might be a financial rescue plan as mentioned already or the end of the world as we know it...probably both.



Eagler

[Eagler]

And so it grows..hamas using US weapons against Israel



Comments are telling

Eagler

[CptTrips]

Not for bankruptcy or pushing into a nuclear conflict

They should have thought about bankruptcy before launching an illegal invasion.  They are obligated to make Ukraine whole for the death and destruction they have inflicted on them since 2014.

Until they agree to that, it is clear they are not done being aggressors.  Sanctions will remain.  A non-violent incentive and effective over time.

You are going to have to man up.  Evil doesn't ask your permission.  This is like The Stand.  Sides are dividing up. 

One Axis:  Russia, China, Iran and their underlings (i.e. NK, Hamas, assorted other assorted dirtbags)

The other:  America and the Free Western World.

It's a time for choosing citizen.