Author Topic: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS  (Read 2141 times)

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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2023, 02:14:27 PM »
I think the J-25 is essentially a P-38L, with power-boosted ailerons, dive flaps and landing light location in the leading edge of port wing.   

http://www.aerofiles.com/JBlock-p38j.html

Our P-38J is probably a J-15, so I'd definitely leave Ho Hum as an "L".


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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2023, 02:21:41 PM »
I think CURLY SIX is also a J-25.   Hmph.  Darn it.
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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2023, 04:04:27 PM »
I think the J-25 is essentially a P-38L, with power-boosted ailerons, dive flaps and landing light location in the leading edge of port wing.   

http://www.aerofiles.com/JBlock-p38j.html

Our P-38J is probably a J-15, so I'd definitely leave Ho Hum as an "L".

We knew it was a J-25 during it's first skinning for DGS.  The powers that be agreed J-25s would be considered L's.  Baby Shoes filled the 474th J model.  Oh how I wish we had the numbers where I could lead 36 P38s of the 474th in a scenario again :)
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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2023, 04:15:18 PM »
Some lighting is different but the dive flap is more important.   It may be possible to hide the leading edge light on the L.

Looking at the next to last photo... is that an LE light on the left wing?

I'm leaving it in the L box regardless.   

Guppy's picture solved one riddle I could not: the color of the NO STEP stencils.   

NO STEP definitely red :)

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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2023, 06:52:49 PM »
I think the J-25 is essentially a P-38L, with power-boosted ailerons, dive flaps and landing light location in the leading edge of port wing.   

http://www.aerofiles.com/JBlock-p38j.html

Our P-38J is probably a J-15, so I'd definitely leave Ho Hum as an "L".

You are correct, sir. The J-25-Lo had dive flaps, boosted ailerons, and flat bullet proof glass. There were some detail changes between it and the L-1-Lo.
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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2023, 06:56:08 PM »
We knew it was a J-25 during it's first skinning for DGS.  The powers that be agreed J-25s would be considered L's.  Baby Shoes filled the 474th J model.  Oh how I wish we had the numbers where I could lead 36 P38s of the 474th in a scenario again :)

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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2023, 06:56:52 PM »
NO STEP definitely red :)

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Well, not red with white letters then any way.

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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2023, 06:59:06 PM »
We knew it was a J-25 during it's first skinning for DGS.  The powers that be agreed J-25s would be considered L's.  Baby Shoes filled the 474th J model.  Oh how I wish we had the numbers where I could lead 36 P38s of the 474th in a scenario again :)

Lots of sites still call it an L. 

I'll have to move CURLY SIX to the L category...
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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2023, 11:42:16 PM »

Well, not red with white letters then any way.

Only on the OD/Gray birds :)

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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2023, 09:01:50 AM »
Only on the OD/Gray birds :)

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Again, without photo evidence--and not being an expert on 38s--it's one of those things that I wasn't sure about.  Lots of NMF profiles show the OD-style NO STEP so without pics I was unsure what to do.    Looks like I have a bunch of updates to make now.

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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2023, 10:29:54 AM »
Oh, and thanks for the compliment on my great work.  /sarc

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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2023, 10:33:56 AM »
NO STEP definitely red :)

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I love how the lower "NO STEP" stencil is partially worn away from being stepped on.  :rofl
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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2023, 10:36:15 AM »
I love how the lower "NO STEP" stencil is partially worn away from being stepped on.  :rofl

Yeah, but I think you can step THERE just not above it.  But I don't know.  Lol
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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2023, 04:23:58 PM »
Oh, and thanks for the compliment on my great work.  /sarc

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LOL I thought your great work was a given.   :aok
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Re: Lt. Lloyd Wenzel - P-38L "Ho-Hum The Second" (F5N) - 474th FG, 428th FS
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2023, 06:38:49 PM »
LOL I thought your great work was a given.   :aok

Good recovery,  Mav.   :rofl

But seriously, thanks for the compliment--and the research help.


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