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Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2023, 05:52:47 PM »
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Because he is a creationist, based on scientific evidence. Which he believes is congruent with a Biblical word view. Is your argument that evidence or hypotheses be summarily dismissed by people of certain beliefs?

Creationism requires the disbelief or denial of fact - not a great trait for a scientist. Creationism that believes the universe is less than 10000 years old is not a requirement for Christian beliefs.

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Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
« Reply #61 on: December 15, 2023, 02:27:43 AM »
This reminds me about December 2014. I was in the office of one heck of a famous surgeon discussing about possibilities and options to rebuild my shattered lower back. Suddenly he asked me if I'm a creationist. As his question was rather amusing me, he told it's necessary to explain certain facts very different way to creationists not to offend them.

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Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
« Reply #62 on: December 15, 2023, 08:22:16 AM »
As much as I'd like to turn this thread into a origins of life theories discussion, I will say the last 2 posts are logical fallacies. Are Carbon passports to curb human behavior the answer because man jeopardized life on earth by using hydrocarbon.

Two articles which present other sizeable CO2 release into the atmosphere.

Deep CO2 in the end-Triassic Central Atlantic Magmatic Province   https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-15325-6

"In fact, a single short-lived CAMP magmatic pulse (ca. 105 km3 erupted over 0.5 kyrs)21,22,23 may emit about 5 × 1016 mol CO2,
roughly the same total amount of projected anthropogenic emissions over the 21st century, according to the Representative Concentration Pathway 4.5"
   So it reports that even one volcanic event can release as much co2 as humans the entire 21st century.

Unexpected large evasion fluxes of carbon dioxide from turbulent streams draining the world’s mountains
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12905-z

If the earth is responsible for CO2 emissions that can act as a thermal influence, another article suggest earths mechanics can regulate temperature. 

Earth's Climate Thermostat  https://www.icr.org/article/earths-climate-thermostat
"A Climate Thermostat

In March of 2001 a significant paper by Richard Lindzen of MIT was published in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society which addresses the cloud-cover feedback mechanism.
 Dr. Lindzen has been a long-time critic of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and a highly respected researcher in the atmospheric sciences.
His paper reports that clouds in the tropics respond to warmer sea-surface temperatures (SST) by permitting long-wave radiation to space to increase, causing greater cooling of the atmosphere.
This negative feedback mechanism would more than cancel all the positive feedbacks included in the more sensitive current climate models.

Dr. Lindzen calculated the average SST as a function of cloud cover and found a strong negative relationship.
His explanation for the negative relationship is that warmer SSTs lead to higher humidities and greater convective activity.
This greater convective activity is more efficient in creating rainfall, leaving less moisture to form cirrus anvils which prevent long-wave radiation from escaping to space.
Consequently, warmer SSTs lead to more rapid cooling of the atmosphere and stabilization of the earth's temperature. "


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« Reply #63 on: December 15, 2023, 09:00:04 AM »
Here's what I think is funny.

They say they want to "save the planet" but the planet will be fine whether we're here or not.
They want less people
They want to place punitive measures in place that cause more people to suffer and struggle to live

Everything "they" want to do leads back to punishing people, redistributing wealth and reducing the population and/or making the plebes live with a lot loss - all in the name of saving the planet.

The planet will be fine no matter how warm the climate gets. All of this is about controlling the population in some form or another .
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« Reply #64 on: December 15, 2023, 10:19:51 AM »
We used to let natural selection help control population. Things like falling off cliffs, people laying in the road, and hanging off bridges. We need to stop protecting those types and let natural selection proceed.
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Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
« Reply #65 on: December 15, 2023, 12:50:38 PM »
Here's what I think is funny.

They say they want to "save the planet" but the planet will be fine whether we're here or not.
They want less people
They want to place punitive measures in place that cause more people to suffer and struggle to live

Everything "they" want to do leads back to punishing people, redistributing wealth and reducing the population and/or making the plebes live with a lot loss - all in the name of saving the planet.

The planet will be fine no matter how warm the climate gets. All of this is about controlling the population in some form or another .

Excellent point, well made.

They are, indeed, mainly anti-humanists.

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« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2023, 09:42:27 AM »
Regarding anti-humanism, the other day I saw an article published by some "climate scientist" that claimed humans exhale 2 gasses that are severely detrimental to the climate. One was nitrous oxide and I can't recall the other offhand. The article was blatantly anti-human since our mere existence was killing the planet so I pretty much dismissed it as another chicken little BS statement.
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Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2023, 10:11:23 AM »
Regarding anti-humanism, the other day I saw an article published by some "climate scientist" that claimed humans exhale 2 gasses that are severely detrimental to the climate. One was nitrous oxide and I can't recall the other offhand. The article was blatantly anti-human since our mere existence was killing the planet so I pretty much dismissed it as another chicken little BS statement.

 :confused:   ...    :rofl    So let's just all stop breathing and the planet will be saved!

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« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2023, 10:47:18 AM »
About twenty years ago the Sierra Club released an official statement on sustainable population.  It has since been completely scrubbed from existence and if anyone can provide an official number, I'd like to see it.

At that time their number was 600,000,000.

600,000,000.

Think about that number.

600,000,000 / 7,000,000,000 = 91.5% reduction from current population.


This is what you need to make happen in order to please your betters.

Get to it.
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« Reply #69 on: December 16, 2023, 11:58:28 AM »
The ones that think that also think that others should do it and not them
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« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2023, 12:13:50 PM »
The ones that think that also think that others should do it and not them

Yep. The plebes need to live without, not the smart people who are out there saving the planet.

They will still be eating steaks and flying to climate meetings on private jets. We'll be eating bugs and restricted in travel and lifestyle.
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« Reply #71 on: December 16, 2023, 12:16:25 PM »
This climate religion has to stop. It has gotten past the conspiracy theory stage into public hysteria with full govt backing.  :mad:

The climate cultists care absolutely nothing about the environment. They care about control. The goal is collectivism and a single government planet.
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« Reply #72 on: December 16, 2023, 12:19:41 PM »
The ones that think that also think that others should do it and not them

Because they care nothing about the climate. They care about control. They're globalists and collectivists, and as such, enemies of the human race and of liberty.
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Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
« Reply #73 on: December 16, 2023, 12:21:59 PM »
We used to let natural selection help control population. Things like falling off cliffs, people laying in the road, and hanging off bridges. We need to stop protecting those types and let natural selection proceed.

Yep. Remove all of the warning labels. And, as in the Shakespeare play, "first thing we do is kill all the lawyers" so there are no lawsuits over it.
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Re: Carbon Passports may be the answer!
« Reply #74 on: December 16, 2023, 12:22:39 PM »
Excellent point, well made.

They are, indeed, mainly anti-humanists.

Exactly.
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