Thrustmaster T16000M HOTAS Info wanted

[xanax]

Well fellas, I'm gonna be the Guinea Pig on this thread and give the Gladiator NXT EVO a try. My old Logitech 3D extreme or whatever it was is all jittery in the Z axis and has a solid catch mid Y axis after many years being stored in an overstuffed box in the attic. I bought the TM flight HOTAS X....the one below the T16000M and it was pure crap. Poorly constructed, sticky POT on the Z axis and spongy at best in the others. Very "rubber bandy" despite throwing in dampening etc. I'd been reading the reviews on the VKB stuff and thought I'd give them a whirl.
I'll have to low-level it past the wife and maybe delay a killer wheelset for my mountain bike and quite a few Buffalo wings but it should work out. I put my order in just now and am hoping it makes it through customs without a hitch.

Now, what gift or task to distract the wife with? Tell her HOTAS is a lawn mower part or device I need to fix her car?

[hazmatt]

Let me know on this one.

 I need to replace the TM garbage I have. I think the  T16000M is just a TM flight HOTAS X in another case. I bet most of guts are the same between them.

I'd have to think about what to tell your wife. But, I once was carrying some firearms in a place where I knew it would make everybody nervous and answered that it was a "Cordless hole puncher" when I was asked what was in the case...

[xanax]

Let me know on this one.

 I need to replace the TM garbage I have. I think the  T16000M is just a TM flight HOTAS X in another case. I bet most of guts are the same between them.

I'd have to think about what to tell your wife. But, I once was carrying some firearms in a place where I knew it would make everybody nervous and answered that it was a "Cordless hole puncher" when I was asked what was in the case...

Will do.

I doubt she will mind the new stick and computer setup. It's far cheaper than the biking stuff I'm gonna forego.......maybe.

[hazmatt]

You could start it off with something about how you think it would be best to save money and not buy the biking stuff and use some of that money for something more useful.

I worked with a guy that used to have Amazon stuff sent to him at work so his wife won't know about it. His wife hid stuff from him too but got caught. Last I heard they were getting a divorce...

[xanax]

You could start it off with something about how you think it would be best to save money and not buy the biking stuff and use some of that money for something more useful.

I worked with a guy that used to have Amazon stuff sent to him at work so his wife won't know about it. His wife hid stuff from him too but got caught. Last I heard they were getting a divorce...

Yow! Scary stuff.
I actually told my wife after I received the confirmation email. She called me a nerd and asked if I wanted a pocket protector and a couple of short-sleeve dress shirts too. Also suggested I pack a juice box with my lunch.
I might take her up on that pocket protector.....

[GasTeddy]

Let me know on this one.

 I need to replace the TM garbage I have. I think the  T16000M is just a TM flight HOTAS X in another case. I bet most of guts are the same between them.

I can tell with experience they are not. 16000 is way much better and precise. I have also opened them both and no, guts are not the same.

I'd have to think about what to tell your wife. But, I once was carrying some firearms in a place where I knew it would make everybody nervous and answered that it was a "Cordless hole puncher" when I was asked what was in the case...

HOTAS is "He Offers Taking All Sundries"-guidebook, if wife asks.

[hazmatt]

I can tell with experience they are not. 16000 is way much better and precise. I have also opened them both and no, guts are not the same.

Good to know. My claim was based on them both doing the exact same twitch on the twist after about the same 6 months of use. If you pushed the stick forward ore back the rudder would twitch on both of them. I was able to deadzone it out for a bit but it quickly got much worse. In my opinion both are total garbage because of that.

The only way I can get them to work is to totally turn off the twist axis. I have some of those cheapo logitec and saitek joysticks from 15 years ago that the twist still works fine...

Garbage! (IMO)

[Bizman]

I've also used both the TM Flight Hotas X and the T16000M and despite trying to be light handed the twist on both made less funny noises right from the start. Most likely that was due to the excitement in a fight causing me to cross the limits. Back in the day I was told about WW2 pilots trying AH and their stick handling could be compared to a jeweler's work. Hand on heart, how many of you almost never hit the extents of the moving range of any axis?

That said, there's a guy in our squad who to my knowledge has been happy with his 16000 for years without issues, no other controllers. It's not that he doesn't know about anything better, once he told that already before AH he had all bells and whistles and also a pilot's license but for occasional gaming in various places like a holiday cottage or a con he likes to travel light with only the stick and laptop, lending an external monitor at the location for convenience. Truly light handed, he is.

[hazmatt]

My guess is that  they're made so poorly that they fail from normal usage unlike these listed below of which none of the twist axis has failed:

X55 that I've had for at least 9 years (half the buttons are wore out on this one)
X54 that I've had for 2 years (throttle is worn out and it advances forward to max on its own)
X52 that I was given about 12 years ago. (it's tired but still works)
Numerous st290 joysticks (this was the best cheap joystick I ever bought)
And a couple Logitec extreme 3d pros (none of the buttons on the base of these work)

How is it that the twist axis work on all of these, but failed on both of the TM sticks I got within 6 months? I doubt it's the way I handle them...

[GasTeddy]

I've had my 16000 & TWCS now 4 years. Only probs were those I mentioned earlier, fixed w/ drop of WD40. I made TWCS magnet mod, which makes tanking in certain platforms easier. Mean, there GVs throttle is <- 0 ->, neutral gear in middle.

What I really like in TWCS, is mini stick. With it I can rotate my view to every direction, but unfortunately it does not work in AH.

[hazmatt]

(Plugs ears)
Lalalalala.
I hate TM. they make junk! (at least the ones I got were junk)
lalala
I will hear nothing else!
lalala

[Animl-AW]

(Plugs ears)
Lalalalala.
I hate TM. they make junk! (at least the ones I got were junk)
lalala
I will hear nothing else!
lalala

I posted a stick comparison vid on one of the first pages, it pretty explains why TM and others like it wear out.

[Eagler]

I did the magnet mod on my tm1600 throttle also...

It helped with setting an indent to give you the sensation of a middle point

Eagler

[GasTeddy]

I did the magnet mod on my tm1600 throttle also...

It helped with setting an indent to give you the sensation of a middle point

Eagler

You mean this? I'd make it too, if used twist.

[Eagler]

You mean this? I'd make it too, if used twist.

It was this mod on the tm1600 throttle



Eagler