Invasion

[Brooke]

The solution is an easy fix for Congress

The solution IS an easy fix.  Doesn't even need Congress.

And you might ask yourself, if it's easy to fix, but isn't fixed -- why is that?

The answer is that it is intentional.  There are groups of people who want it for religious-like or ideology reasons, some for monetary reasons, some for political reasons.

Illegal immigration is funded by parts of the US and other governments.  Such as:
-- $ from the US (DHS, FEMA, etc.)
-- To pro-migration NGO's (UN, HIAS, UNICEF, Catholic Charities USA, Jewish Families Council, Red Cross, International Organization of Migration, Doctors Without Borders, etc.)
-- To migrants ($ in cash, vouchers, cash cards, food, info including maps showing where to go, where to get money, which border crossings to use to get into the US):
https://www.muckraker.com/articles/illegal-alien-invasion-maps-exposed/
https://dcjournal.com/whos-funding-illegal-immigration-you-are/
https://www.c-span.org/video/?525602-1/after-words-todd-bensman

The motivations are many:
-- There are people in governments and religions and NGO's who believe (with the fervor of a religious tenet) that open borders are morally correct:
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/10/get-rid-borders-completely/409501/
"And who were these immigration advocates?", p. 110, Overrun, by Todd Bensman.
-- There are industries that benefit from cheap, controllable labor (as anyone knows who has had much landscaping or construction work done, or for picking crops, canning, production lines, etc), which is also why chambers of commerce are famously against immigration enforcement.
https://youtu.be/Jtc7H23q-z4?t=5
-- There are groups making enormous money from it:
"Smuggling Migrants at the Border is Now a Billion-Dollar Business"
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/25/us/migrant-smuggling-evolution.html
-- There are nations (such as China) getting a lot of their folks in:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinese-migrants-fastest-growing-group-us-mexico-border-60-minutes-transcript/
-- There are political benefits.  For example, California has 2-4 more electoral votes and 2-4 more House seats with illegal immigrants than it would have without them.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/aug/06/facebook-posts/calif-has-extra-us-house-seats-because-illegals-no/
Immigrants are 2:1 democrat:republican in voting.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2023-11-30/la-immigrant-dreams-politics-poll-latimes-kff

Here's how it all works:
https://x.com/realmuckraker/status/1747334332421714056?s=20
https://www.c-span.org/video/?525602-1/after-words-todd-bensman
https://a.co/d/h64pxNb

[hazmatt]

I don't believe that you are suggesting that everyone entering the country is a criminal.

If they broke the law and came across the border illegally that would make them a criminal last I checked. The very fist act they do entering the country is breaking the law but we expect they will all be productive members of society and follow other laws?

What about all the countries they passed though to get here? None of those are acceptable because they don't give them gift cards, snap benefits, free plane tickets and free housing?

[Brooke]

I don't believe that you are suggesting that everyone entering the country is a criminal. For a very long time the country and hopefully a majority of its citizens recognize there are legitimate people seeking asylum.

Absolutely.

I feel that LEGAL immigration is a huge benefit to our country.

But to be a benefit, it requires selectivity.  Letting in people who are compatible with our nation and its Constitution, value freedom, rule of law, limited government, etc.

I think we both agree that the southern border needs to be closed.

I think the border (south, north, and otherwise) needs to be enforced.  We already have what we need as a nation to do that.

Other than the will to do it, of course, especially at the level of federal agencies.

[Brooke]

For a very long time the country and hopefully a majority of its citizens recognize there are legitimate people seeking asylum.

By the way, in 2023 only 320 thousand border crossers were asylees, and the remaining 3.3 million were not.

Details:

In 2023, there were 3.6 million "encounters".  "Encounters" are people crossing the border who are apprehended by US Border Patrol.  If they aren't apprehended, it isn't counted as an "encounter".  Thus, the number of people crossing into the US is likely substantially larger than that.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/nationwide-encounters

In 2023, there were 800,000 asylum seekers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/21/us/politics/migrant-crisis-border-asylum.html

In recent years, 40% of asylum applications are approved.  So of those 800,000 asylum seekers, 320,000 are actual asylees.
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-seek-asylum-in-the-us/

[guncrasher]

Close it with the military, and let it be known the deadly consequences of anyone caught illegally crossing it. Being polite doesnt work, time to take the berlin wall route

that would be considered murder.  and people go to jail for that.  you dont consider changing the constitution to allow that do you?


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[RUSH1]

[https://youtu.be/-p4LtMu_-FM?si=SPOfQZJrsD9vhsmt]

Will have to copy and paste as youtube links are not working for me.  Had this problem on here a few months ago.   

Let's see how Jamaica handles this situation.  Here is their common sense immigration policy.   

https://www.pioj.gov.jm/policies/migration-policy/

[Brooke]

that would be considered murder.  and people go to jail for that.  you dont consider changing the constitution to allow that do you?

semp

Not necessarily.  There is judgement and circumstances involved:
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2021-Jul/cbp-use-of-force-policy_4500-002A.pdf

[guncrasher]

Not necessarily.  There is judgement and circumstances involved:
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2021-Jul/cbp-use-of-force-policy_4500-002A.pdf

when you start shooting every single person crossing the border it becomes murder.


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[RUSH1]

when you start shooting every single person crossing the border it becomes murder.


semp

And the goal posts keep moving.   

[Busher]

Not necessarily.  There is judgement and circumstances involved:
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2021-Jul/cbp-use-of-force-policy_4500-002A.pdf

Brooke; I always enjoy our discussions. I wish politicians could learn to discuss and debate as we often do.

But when the Wyatt's start talking about cleaning up the country's problems with violence and of course re-affirming their 2nd amendment rights, I'm outta here.

[Meatwad]

when you start shooting every single person crossing the border it becomes murder.


semp

If they dont cross ILLEGALLY, they wouldnt have to worry about being shot at.

[Brooke]

when you start shooting every single person crossing the border it becomes murder.

semp

Don't ever need that.  Not even to repel bayonet charges in WWII.

[Brooke]

Brooke; I always enjoy our discussions. I wish politicians could learn to discuss and debate as we often do.

I love discussing politics, economics, etc. with you, Busher.  I am grateful for our discussions. 

[JimmyD3]

Brooke; I always enjoy our discussions. I wish politicians could learn to discuss and debate as we often do.

But when the Wyatt's start talking about cleaning up the country's problems with violence and of course re-affirming their 2nd amendment rights, I'm outta here.

Bye

[hazmatt]

Bye

Don't you mean: "buh bye"