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Offline CptTrips

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John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
« on: April 21, 2024, 10:45:54 AM »
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Re: John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2024, 10:01:34 AM »
In what I have read (minimal as it is) and heard he is all but unknown yet his energy management is almost held in biblical reverence. Interesting that the AF has benefitted so much from his work yet considered him so little.
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Re: John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2024, 10:10:57 AM »
Quote from: Maverick on April 22, 2024, 10:01:34 AM
In what I have read (minimal as it is) and heard he is all but unknown yet his energy management is almost held in biblical reverence. Interesting that the AF has benefitted so much from his work yet considered him so little.

or Billy Mitchell.
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Re: John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2024, 06:25:37 PM »
Quote from: Maverick on April 22, 2024, 10:01:34 AM
In what I have read (minimal as it is) and heard he is all but unknown yet his energy management is almost held in biblical reverence. Interesting that the AF has benefitted so much from his work yet considered him so little.

Not just energy management, but the OODA loop as well. As well as asymmetrical warfare. More Marine Corps personnel attended his funeral than Air Force. He was also an advocate of the F-16 over the F-15.
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Re: John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2024, 09:07:48 PM »
Quote from: Maverick on April 22, 2024, 10:01:34 AM
Interesting that the AF has benefitted so much from his work yet considered him so little.

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Re: John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2024, 12:06:55 AM »
This discussion is largely ironic since most players in this game have the exact same views on energy management as the Air Force did when Boyd started his work, lol.

But yeah, Boyd's work was revolutionary. His book is a crucial read if you take ACM seriously.
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Re: John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2024, 01:19:48 AM »
There is great book

Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War
by Robert Coram

https://a.co/d/eRAAqFJ

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Re: John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2024, 10:41:04 AM »
Quote from: Brooke on May 19, 2024, 01:19:48 AM
There is great book

Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War
by Robert Coram


Cool.  Thanks.

For some reason that was available free on my audible account so I added it to my library.

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Re: John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2024, 11:52:53 AM »
Quote from: Brooke on May 19, 2024, 01:19:48 AM
There is great book

Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War
by Robert Coram

https://a.co/d/eRAAqFJ

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One of my favorites.  I've read it three times.
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Re: John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2024, 04:05:37 PM »
Quote from: CptTrips on May 19, 2024, 10:41:04 AM
Cool.  Thanks.

For some reason that was available free on my audible account so I added it to my library.

You will love it, Cap.  It is very interesting and well written.

(I love Audible.)
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Re: John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2024, 08:08:34 AM »
Thx for the link, Brooke :) I had never heard of him. Always a pleasure to delve into the people who made history. Especially the ones who rocked the boat :)
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Re: John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
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Re: John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
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Re: John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2024, 01:46:51 PM »
Quote from: Brooke on May 19, 2024, 04:05:37 PM
You will love it, Cap.  It is very interesting and well written.

(I love Audible.)

Very interesting so far.

Not sure why it was free on my audible but if anyone has audible they may want to check to see if they can grab it free as well.

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Re: John Boyd: The Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2024, 02:54:21 PM »
Is it a life story or lessons in tactics ??
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