Prebuilt PCs

[AKIron]

Something to keep in mind when buying a prebuilt. Upgradeability. Some brands like HP and Dell may use their own custom cases and motherboards. That can limit upgradeability should you be so inclined.

Even in those situations though you can buy a case relatively cheap and still use some parts from the original. AMD CPUs are more upgradeable than Intel. Any new Intel CPU is going to require a new motherboard. Less so with AMD.

[icepac]

The first overclockable PC components weren't even available until about 1985.

The problem is that you have no experience going back that far yet you still comment from a position of ignorance

Early motherboards used crystals to determine clock speeds and i had been working with crystals since childhood. 

It’s not my fault you don’t have the IT chops to hang.

[Skyyr]

The problem is that you have no experience going back that far yet you still comment from a position of ignorance

Early motherboards used crystals to determine clock speeds and i had been working with crystals since childhood. 

It’s not my fault you don’t have the IT chops to hang.

No one here believes your claims that you were "overclocking" years before overclocking became a thing, especially when you claim PC manufacturers purposely lead people up "blind canyons" and fail at flying in a game where you try to lecture people on ACM and aerodynamics.

[icepac]

You piped up attacking me first and can’t handle heat coming back at you.

[Skyyr]

You piped up attacking me first and can’t handle heat coming back at you.

You stated a blatant lie; thus far, I've stated nothing but facts. That's neither heat nor not being able to handle it.

[GasTeddy]

The first overclockable PC components weren't even available until about 1985.

First oc-attempts were done in the 1970s, when chip designer Chuck Peddle experimented with defective 6502 CPUs to see how fast they could run. 1981 some job was done with overclocking TRS-80. A soldering iron was involved. Some jumpers etc.

The first overclockable motherboards came to market at 1985, starting over-clocking as it is today. Before that, it was much more complicated but possible, if one knew what was doing.

[TryHard]

The first overclockable PC components weren't even available until about 1985.

Wrong

Overclocking has always been possible via the front side bus or on older chips via the external oscillator PLL circuit 

[Skyyr]

Wrong

Overclocking has always been possible via the front side bus or on older chips via the external oscillator PLL circuit 

Never said it wasn't possible; I said that the first components available for the purpose of overclocking were made available in the mid 1980s.

As I've stated many times, icepac makes incredulous claims (like the one before, claiming PC manufacturers purposely mislead consumers, or lecturing people on aerodynamics and then failing himself) and then can't back them up whatsoever. Ergo, this is completely his style to claim he was doing something before it was widely available, only to completely contradict himself (as he did in the post before).

Check his post history if you want a view into paranoid comedy gold.

[Meatwad]

I had a 286 desktop that had a turbo button on it that when pressed would increase the cpu from 10 mhz to 15, with a handy number segment display what would give you real time cpu speed

[icepac]

I’m sure other ham radio guys saw crystals on early motherboards and saw the ability to control motherboard speeds.   

My claims are only outrageous to you because you lack the life experience to understand. 
Not having the chops or experience to argue a subject should be a raging clue to stop.

[Skyyr]

My claims are only outrageous to you because you lack the life experience to understand. 
Not having the chops or experience to argue a subject should be a raging clue to stop.

Says the guy who claimed PC part manufacturers lead consumers up a "blind valley." I say that with countless PC parts on a table next to me. My 15 year old neighbors kids build their own PCs too.

Here you are doing the same thing in-game: getting your butt handed to you on a platter, meanwhile you blame the game's sloppy physics while claiming you've flown real aerobatics and can do the thing in real life, lol (see a pattern?).

Go to 34:00 if you want to see that quote, but watch from the beginning if you want to see almost an hour of fumbling and excuses and poor flying.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OM0F3BgDMl0

You're the one without experience in virtually everything you try to lecture people on; and predictably, you try to insult others and claim you're actually more experienced in real life (most of the time, you're laughably not) when called on it. You even did that exact thing when you failed to get a single kill in a duel: you claimed you were faaar more experienced and an actual expert and it's the game that's wrong, not your flying lol.

Your replies in this thread are no different. You got caught lying, claiming PC manufacturers purposely obscure options and confuse the consumer. Maybe it's difficult for you and your senility, but that isn't the norm. So what did you do? You claimed you're an expert IRL and tried to divert about overclocking. Sorry, that isn't going to fly here.

PC building isn't hard for others nor do manufacturers obscure the parts compatibility. You might find it hard (like most everything else), but that doesn't make it true or the norm for others.

[icepac]

The problem building your own is the heaps of industry specific product knowledge required to not be led up a blind canyon by the hardware sellers.

Your misreading and not understanding led you to incorrectly “quote” me. 

I did not say “manufacturers”. 
I said hardware sellers…..you know the salesmen in places like microcenter pushing product without consulting compatibility documentation.

[GasTeddy]

Just like in one motorbike forum I used to participate; always someone claiming "you cannot tune ECU of this and that bike" and when someone did it and dynoed +10% of hp and some extra torque, starts arguing and "liar, liar..!"  My bike has untuneable ECU which is tuned by certified mc technician, so we both are liars.

There are always those, who know everything better. My ex was one. That's one reason she enjoys status "X". In bike forum they were often hardcore Power Commander believers, who had no technical knowledge. Don't get me wrong, Power Comm is great gadget but not the only way to tune modern bikes. Here all-knowers, they are... 

[RichardDarkwood]

This dude just be arguing with who ever

[GasTeddy]

This dude just be arguing with who ever

And subject does not matter. Must be hard to be best in everything, while pariah does not understand it.