Author Topic: Are these game freezes the result of someone changing codes in real time?  (Read 8781 times)

Offline Animl-AW

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If there's any kind of rhythm to it, every 5 mins, 10 mins, etc... then obviously there is something scheduled causing it. Some will need to track and document to find a commonality.

There is, 2 sec freeze every 10 min. I MAY have solved it.

I’m starting to get the feel of a buffer loading up then dumping. OR something timing-out, all guess work with no meters or data to read..
« Last Edit: July 23, 2024, 09:40:31 AM by Animl-AW »

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Sat in tower and monitored Net Status (I'm retired).

With DX11 saw the large spikes in Variance in Delay as reported by Shane at exactly 10 minute intervals.

With DX9 no spikes during 30 minute observation.

Repeated both tests twice (I'm retired) with same results.

Win7, GTX1660 Super, driver 466.77.

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Anyone using screen saving, sleep mode, hibernate? Turn that sh*t off for all devices.
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Anyone using screen saving, sleep mode, hibernate? Turn that sh*t off for all devices.

This is true.
However, in this case, my pc is very streamlined, it prolly eats s lot of power, and I had the micro freezes too.
But something every gamer should do anyway.

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Made a film to synchronize with the 10 minute spikes:

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,406576.msg5428446.html#new

The freeze happens at 2 minutes into the film.  While flying there was a definite pause, but the film shows only a slight effect.  So, film doesn't really demonstrate the pause, but posted in case there is useful info embedded.

DX11.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2024, 11:15:03 AM by popeye »
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Don't forget to check the seal on your differential.

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Check this:

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3130/~/setting-power-management-mode-from-normal-to-maximum-performance

One of the settings i made 2 days ago. Certainly in the equation.. test test test. I’m obsessed with nailing this issue.
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Made a film to synchronize with the 10 minute spikes:

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,406576.msg5428446.html#new

The freeze happens at 2 minutes into the film.  While flying there was a definite pause, but the film shows only a slight effect.  So, film doesn't really demonstrate the pause, but posted in case there is useful info embedded.

DX11.

Thanks for your efforts. Its all a part of process of illumination. Every bit of info helps.

I’m reading up on s cpl things.

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No idea if related but a certain other sim has a similar problem alleviated but turning off USB connection detection in the game. This is likely a purely other game function and while I don't know if you can stop Windows from checking you can at least make sure Windows is not shutting them down. Then turning them back on when activated by use.

Open Device Manager
Expand the Universal Serial Bus Controllers section
Find the USB Root Hub items
Right-click on a hub and select Properties
Click the Power Management tab
Uncheck the Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power box
Click OK
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You could turn off plug and play to test. It's a service. Just stop it. Start back when done testing.

I just tried that. Doesn't stop USB connection detection so dunno.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2024, 06:26:06 PM by AKIron »
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Did some testing of my own this arvo, and see video at bottom for example with timecode

It is happening every 10 mins

It isn't happening the same time for everyone

I suspect it's based on the time you launch the game (10 min timer starts at launch I think)

I'd initially thought it might have been some sort of scheduled task on the game server, but based on above, don't now think so

I notice in wireshark trace a dropped ICMP packet to an unknown port (at server end) at about same time, and it's the only ICMP traffic in thousands of packets sent and received

I'm guessing it could be some sort of checksum check on the game exe as a sort of anticheat (I realise that this is just a guess, and we wouldn't get it confirmed or denied)

Anyhow, see film, I hope it helps, this has only been happening since the internet change recently at HTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWrbIDZurRI
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A reply from HT on page 5

“ This is not a new issue. It has been around since we supported DX11. I have looked for it in the past but never found a way to duplicate it. My guess is nvidia updated a driver that reintroduced the issue. Also just because is shows in network stats does not mean it is network related.  The pause in the game simply causes the read of the packet to be delayed.

HiTech”

That said, I went after both TCP connection and GPU.

I’M FIXED. ZERO GLITCHES OR MICRO FREEZES.

The game is very smooth. I’ll post what I did after coffee :)

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WOT ALERT!

I'M FIXED

I went at this the wrong way, but I threw a few things at it at once just to get it gone. I had 2 sec freezes every 10 min. I went after both TCP/IP and GPU to cover wide base. Flew 2 days, totaling 2-3 hours with zero glitches or micro freezes.

Somewhere in the pile below is a workaround, at least for my setup. I will not call it a "fix" because there are certain things we can't put our hands on, so it's a work around it.

I'll have to now go backwards and restore each tweak to default one by one until I duplicate the issue 2/3 times to narrow it down to 1-2 specific settings. Once we figure that out it opens a path to the core issue. Every tweak I reverse will require 1 hour of flying to get a negative or positive on that setting. This will take many hour, unless I hit gold right away.

UNTIL THEN, players can TRY the settings below and hopefully get it gone for them too.

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Side note;
Back in band camp, if you wanted to game you HAD to dig your hands into settings, learn them, and know why you're implementing them. You had to get your hands dirty to stay competitive. My past website was built to hopefully get everyone playing within an acceptable margin of game performance. I am rebuilding a smaller site, that will also link to Fugitive's AH Help page. I'll just cover things he doesn't instead of re-inventing a wheel. You want to be a great gamer? Knowing your device and how it runs is a major part of that.

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I'm running
Windows 11
Nvidia RTX 3060ti
Directx 12

BIOS, Drivers and software are all up to date.

Did Nvidia recently introduce a conflicting setting?

My RTX 3060ti Driver - Windows 11, DX12
GeForce Game Ready Driver
Version: 555.99  WHQL
* Release Date: 6/4/24
Note: Fixed Gaming Bugs
    [GeForce Experience] Flickering or black screen if Instant Replay is enabled [4665009]

Popeye's Driver - Windows 7
GeForce Game Ready Driver
Version: 466.77  WHQL
* Release Date: 6/10/21

Still hard to say, but wide space in driver updates and both had micro freezes.
Could it be a DirectX/Windows update that caused it? Dunno, YET

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* Uninstalled "G-Force Experience"

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CONNECTION TWEAKS I MADE

* SpeedGuide.net is a great informative site for connections
Note from the manual registry gaming tweaks page
"Disable Game Bar and Game Mode under Windows 10 Creators update

Windows 10 Creators' update introduced a "Game Bar" to to help Xbox integration and gaming in general, however, they can reportedly cause stuttering during gaming, especially with Windows 10 builds prior to v1709."

SpeedGuide.net TCP/IP Analyzer
https://www.speedguide.net/analyzer.php

SpeedGuide.net TCP Optimizer
https://www.speedguide.net/downloads.php

Optimized TCP connection with Speedgate TCP Optimizer
After optimizing my TCP and reboot, I entered the below gaming tweaks.
TcpAckFrequency: 1
TcpNoDelay: 1
TcpDelAckTicks: 0


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NVIDIA GPU TWEAKS I MADE

Nvidia Control Panel > Manage 3D Settings
(NOTE: You can make a different settings profile for each game or app you run.)

Image scaling = On (boost fps)
Ambient Occlusion = Performance
Antialiasing - Transparency = Multisample (superior performance)
Power Management mode = Prefer maximum performance
Shader Cache Size = Unlimited
Texture filtering - Quality = High Performance
Threaded optimization = off (off for older apps)
Vertical sync = Fast (low latency, drops excess frames of refresh rate, no artifacts from tearing)

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WOT ALERT! I'M FIXED
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* Uninstalled "G-Force Experience"
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NVIDIA GPU TWEAKS I MADE

Nvidia Control Panel > Manage 3D Settings
(NOTE: You can make a different settings profile for each game or app you run.)

Image scaling = On (boost fps)
Ambient Occlusion = Performance
Antialiasing - Transparency = Multisample (superior performance)
Power Management mode = Prefer maximum performance
Shader Cache Size = Unlimited
Texture filtering - Quality = High Performance
Threaded optimization = off (off for older apps)
Vertical sync = Fast (low latency, drops excess frames of refresh rate, no artifacts from tearing)
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I just made the gfx card tweaks (game specific), and only disabled GeForceEX as a test before uninstalling.  The only gfx tweak unavailable to me was the shader cache.

I'll give this a go.

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