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Offline Eagler

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« on: July 19, 2024, 03:59:06 PM »
I have done software qa testing in the past..

I wouldn't want to be on the team that passed that update

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Re: Crowdstrike
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2024, 04:30:23 PM »
Their flight home might be delayed :rolleyes:
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Re: Crowdstrike
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2024, 05:37:24 PM »
I have done software qa testing in the past..

I wouldn't want to be on the team that passed that update

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 I wouldn't want to be the coder.

Like the guy that cost that Mars probe because he forgot to convert from meters to feet.  DOh!!!!!!  10 years of how many engineers work went poof. 


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Re: Crowdstrike
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2024, 05:16:36 AM »
I wouldn't want to be the coder.

Like the guy that cost that Mars probe because he forgot to convert from meters to feet.  DOh!!!!!!  10 years of how many engineers work went poof.

QA should have caught that too...

Then again we contract most of our software dev to the lowest bidder regardless of the language they speak..so there's that.

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Re: Crowdstrike
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2024, 09:35:11 AM »
We were down for a few hours. About 2/3 of our endpoints got hit. Half were fine after a reboot, the other half needed the sys file removed manually via backdoor.
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Re: Crowdstrike
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2024, 10:11:25 AM »
If a software glitch could neuter that much stuff, some third world country now knows it can do much more harm then previously expected if it was to be done again by evil
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Re: Crowdstrike
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2024, 10:40:28 AM »
We were down for a few hours. About 2/3 of our endpoints got hit. Half were fine after a reboot, the other half needed the sys file removed manually via backdoor.

My youngest son at Cisco cyber security told me that was the fix the morning of the accident..it's just now getting around to all the machines to manually make the corrections..

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Re: Crowdstrike
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2024, 12:46:06 PM »
My works PCs were down all Friday. Thankfully I have used AVG since 2003 and avoided all issues.
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Re: Crowdstrike
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2024, 04:03:36 PM »
They definitely rushed a build out into the world.

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Re: Crowdstrike
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2024, 04:31:02 PM »
i remember the days when each company would decide themselves when to deploy updates to windows machines. It's unthinkable to me that almost entire world just straight up downloads anything that microsoft puts out. Maybe this will sober up some IT maintenance folks out of their complacency.

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Re: Crowdstrike
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2024, 04:33:08 PM »
Security software. You want zero-day protection. From the user perspective. Nothing should ever be pushed out by a developer before adequately testing.
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Re: Crowdstrike
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2024, 06:18:33 PM »
Security software. You want zero-day protection. From the user perspective. Nothing should ever be pushed out by a developer before adequately testing.

Exactly, Crowdstrike really screwed up on this. I'm honestly gobsmacked this got released by them, as it appears to affect 100% of machines 100% of the time. Usually it's some weird combination that triggers these problems.

That said, all major antivirus vendors have experienced similar issues over the last 20+ years. At work we do our sensor updates in stages with reasonable time gaps in between (over a period of 2 weeks iirc). We also don't update the backup failover servers. So if a bad update comes out we can mitigate the issue by failing over. Of our fleet around 20% of devices (servers and laptops) were impacted (including my laptop). Because we use bitlocker there is no backdoor without a lot of fluffing around.

So all those companies that were completely nuked by this weren't following good practices.

I also thought it was funny how Microsoft themselves were so heavily impacted. Given they tell everyone they don't need Crowdstrike and should use Windows Defender... obviously Microsoft don't believe their own sales pitch.
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Re: Crowdstrike
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2024, 10:56:43 PM »
Then again we contract most of our software dev to the lowest bidder regardless of the language they speak..so there's that.

We do that with a lot of stuff, sadly.
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Re: Crowdstrike
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2024, 06:15:08 AM »
Security software. You want zero-day protection. From the user perspective. Nothing should ever be pushed out by a developer before adequately testing.

i understand what zero day protection is, however if you have 1000 machines well behind firewalls, honey pots etc running your entire business, chances of even zero day exploit affecting them are marginal. Risk of this kind of screw up is much higher then non-internet exposed machines being affected.

In reality, there should be "urgent zero day" patch application as totally separate process for other patches that should be delayed by large companies. I'm willing to bet this particular update had no zero day protections in it...

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Re: Crowdstrike
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2024, 06:23:34 AM »
Shows how vulnerable we really are regardless of how secure we believe we are...dangerous things can happen from all angles and resources

Imagine if it would have been power grids instead of banks and airports?

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