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Offline Oldman731

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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2024, 10:31:23 PM »
Hundreds of nukes have been set off above ground since 1945. There was no nuclear winter. I suspect a nuclear war won't be the cataclysmic event feared. Of course millions will die and perhaps billions but not all 8 billion of us.


Hah!  Thank you for making me dig around for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNC0YwuGLqg

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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2024, 10:39:21 PM »
We will rock you.

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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2024, 10:44:44 PM »
I suppose the difference would be in a nuke bomb radiation is incinerated. If you look at the Chernobyl, as in just leaked, the entire area is still nuclear contaminated and uninhabitable. Yet Japan is safe.

The emission of energy as waves and particles from the neutrons of radioisotopes is the "incineration" you speak of. The neutron particles and waves aren't incinerated, they're doing the incinerating. Radiation  isn't incinerated. The reason Japan is/was "safe" is because very little radiation was released in comparison to Chernobyl. I think it was like 300 to 400 times less. The bombs used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were tiny compared to the Tsar Bombas the Russians carry these days.

The 20 mile uninhabited (by humans) ring around Chernobyl remains because of what we learned from the original bombs. Japan is safe but there were of elevated cancer rates and other maladies in those areas and perhaps still today. They didn't put a small uninhabited Ring around those areas of the cities because we just didn't know.
It seems the flora and fauna living in the uninhabited zone around Chernobyl is thriving without the presence of humans. Yeah, some post-event generations of animal offspring there showed some anomalies due to mutation from radiation of course. Animals mostly have shorter lifespans and mutated alleles and whatnot get weeded out in subsequent generations however. In human terms, generational turnover is long. Plenty of time for tumors to express themselves while a common weasel or something is 7 or 8 generations down the road from the generation  hit with the fallout.

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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2024, 10:48:34 PM »

Hah!  Thank you for making me dig around for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNC0YwuGLqg

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So good. It needs to be watched every so often.
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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2024, 11:05:09 PM »

Hah!  Thank you for making me dig around for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNC0YwuGLqg

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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2024, 06:55:13 AM »
Or just the right event to trigger extreme civil unrest and we will implode all on our own....see the peaceful riots summer 2020 over actually nothing really as doesn't take much to rile up some up these days...could throw in a false flag event as the cherry on top..

Sounds more possible every day imo..

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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2024, 07:42:37 AM »
We should check if the chinese landowners have bought up power generation and fuel storage hardware way larger in scale than what is required?

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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2024, 09:55:04 AM »
It's in Russia's best interest to NOT allow another steam explosion or any other type of radiation escape event from nuclear facilities in Ukraine. The prevailing winds tend to blow from west to east in the northern hemisphere and the previous explosion at Chernobyl bore that out as the vast majority of the fallout travelled to the northeast for about 350 miles. I remember it was about week later the radiation was detected on the west coast of the US at levels below the need for "concern." There was no partying in Minsk during that week.

Certainly, you’re more educated on the subject than me.

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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2024, 10:35:02 AM »
Certainly, you’re more educated on the subject than me.

Nope. I love mechanical watches and wondered how they got all the Tritium to make the glowing hands and dials on watches during the 60's, 70's and 80's. That Google rabbit hole coupled with memories from a college physics class almost 40 years ago soon had me looking up how Plutonium and Uranium are utilized to make bombs. A few evenings later I'm reading about Chernobyl, Tsar Bomba and above ground testing. I eventually got bored trying to understand sub-atomic particles and pivoted over to Formula One racing during the 50's and 60's and how to make my own weather station for the backyard. Basically, an uncontrolled chain reaction involving Google and Youtube as catalysts.
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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2024, 11:40:25 AM »
Hundreds of nukes have been set off above ground since 1945. There was no nuclear winter. I suspect a nuclear war won't be the cataclysmic event feared. Of course millions will die and perhaps billions but not all 8 billion of us.

Actually it is thousands, There have been 2055-2060 nukes set off over a timeline of several decades Like over 6 plus decades, But again that's over a decades. Any one want to track cancer rates since 1900?

The world’s nuclear powers have more than 12,000 nuclear warheads. The U.S. and Russia have over 5,000 nuclear weapons each. I would also point out nations do tend to "Salt" their bombs.

Only 2 nuclear devices have ever been dropped on inhabited areas, We saw what that did.

Imagine 3000 nukes (Far more powerful than Gadget, little boy, and fat man) used on cities and inhabited areas all at once. Add in radiation fallout that is going to hit all at once and a complete loss of infrastructure and your looking at a Toba catastrophe level event that if it doesn't wipe out all of humanity it will surely destroy civilization as we know it, and may well cause another genetic bottle neck.

Look at what a little cold did to the world in 2020.

The people that don't die in the blast are going to die due to radiation sickness and the rest of poor talking monkeys are going to starve to death or eat each other.

I know one thing for sure it's not going to be as fun as a bethesda game.
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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2024, 12:19:42 PM »
We just may find out how devastating a nuclear war can be. It's not looking good.
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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2024, 01:00:04 PM »
We just may find out how devastating a nuclear war can be. It's not looking good.

Crazy talk of some stating that they are survivable...

I think we are the closest we've been in some time due to simultaneous convergence of several permissible variables..

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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2024, 01:11:04 PM »
All the plants will be smoking holes once everybody abandons their station.
   
Far worse than the nukes themselves in the long run. 

Our enemies have ruined their land and want ours.     

A typical scenario for china conquering america is to simply cut off the power and wait for the population to kill each other to the tune of 90% casualties.    Then come in and clean up.   
They're already stealing white beach sand wherever they can get away with it so I believe they have a very long term plan that has chinese running the north american continent.

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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2024, 10:24:38 PM »
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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2024, 11:33:27 AM »
A typical scenario for china conquering america is to simply cut off the power and wait for the population to kill each other to the tune of 90% casualties.    Then come in and clean up.   
They're already stealing white beach sand wherever they can get away with it so I believe they have a very long term plan that has chinese running the north american continent.

No doubt they have taken copious notes during the COVID fiasco and now, the current TP panicdemic.  The aftermath of Hurricane Helene must also be of interest, for future reference.



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