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Offline AKIron

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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2024, 02:13:09 PM »
I too have traveled and lived in many states and a few other countries. You don't believe "most" people want to take care of themselves and theirs (families)? We're just going to have to disagree on that then.
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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2024, 04:19:53 PM »
The United States government is a corrupt bloated pig many in the world are sick of..

Living high on the hog on credit most are underwater  including our fantastic government for way too long...

We have the wars to keep the rest of the world in their place and force the dollar onto them..

If/when that changes Venezuela will look like a paradise compared to the sheet show this once great country blooms into..

We will implode with just a little help...very little sadly

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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2024, 05:27:56 PM »
I was gonna do this whole philosophical writeup but....

There's a lot you can learn from sold old gangster rap.

Particularly the first line of this song I like the most.

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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2024, 05:45:14 PM »
A Quote I do enjoy

"The world is your exercise book, the pages on which you do your sums. It is not reality, though you may express reality there if you wish. You are also free to write lies, or nonsense, or to tear the pages."
Richard Bach, Illusions:
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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2024, 06:05:03 PM »
A Quote I do enjoy

"The world is your exercise book, the pages on which you do your sums. It is not reality, though you may express reality there if you wish. You are also free to write lies, or nonsense, or to tear the pages."
Richard Bach, Illusions:

One of my favorite authors...have read just about everything he's written

It all makes for an exciting and interesting illusion to say the least

 :cheers:

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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2024, 07:21:20 PM »
I too have traveled and lived in many states and a few other countries. You don't believe "most" people want to take care of themselves and theirs (families)? We're just going to have to disagree on that then.

No, you are absolutely right about that sir. No argument. But if some darker parts of human nature encourage more of us to behave that way 'because everyone does' then we are certainly doomed. I still think Iran should have the right to do what it likes with it's atoms. Nukes are the dumbest thing about our species. It's fantastic that we have evolved to not be harmless. We can harness the power of a star to smite our enemies. It's remarkable.

The whole thing is so stupid because we still like killing each other so very much. So stupid that no one has the right to say who can or cannot have nooks.
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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2024, 07:44:12 PM »
No, you are absolutely right about that sir. No argument. But if some darker parts of human nature encourage more of us to behave that way 'because everyone does' then we are certainly doomed. I still think Iran should have the right to do what it likes with it's atoms. Nukes are the dumbest thing about our species. It's fantastic that we have evolved to not be harmless. We can harness the power of a star to smite our enemies. It's remarkable.

The whole thing is so stupid because we still like killing each other so very much. So stupid that no one has the right to say who can or cannot have nooks.

Imagine having nuke, and then not having the ability to have manless drones pick up people in disaster situations in the mountains....

I'm with you on that, just so stupid with our energy

The only thing for me is that true capitalism doesn't have slave labor. Slave labor is counter productive to a prosperous economic system. Mining for material is perfectly fine, but its the power structure that allows it to be "moral" or not. And unfortunately we have power structures that don't understand the power of a prosperous strong nation. Thats why they'll never be as powerful as they wish. 
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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2024, 09:57:23 PM »
One of my favorite authors...have read just about everything he's written

It all makes for an exciting and interesting illusion to say the least

 :cheers:

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My father gave me that book when I was growing up. It's my favorite. It's his 75th Birthday today so cheers to that. Just to note, He was a big proponent of me playing this game when I was growing up. He lived in Japan with his brother as a child while his father flew B26s and B25s. After he left the coast guard in Alaska, he had the unique experience of traveling around the world 3 times, living in many different countries like India, Suadi Arabia, China, and Brussels, among others. He even got to fly on a Concord and live in a submarine out of Puerto Rico. I walked into my 6th grade my class with a 4 ft perfectly made Trebuchet. I walked into my 7th grade class with a laser guitar. He has 3 patents with his name at the top for these businesses. Even American business weren't fair to him. But, even he still knew he'd make a better living in America because of capitalism compared to the rest. He lived watching half his paycheck disappear in other countries. But, one thing I'll never forget, we saw this badass super car pour the coal to it down the street at a gas station one time, he said, you can have 6 of those if you want. And that's when I realized there is a dream to achieve success and that there is an opportunity to have what you really want by doing the right thing and providing goods for people in a fair way. This dream is why I love the ability of capitalism. It's a much better mentality to know you have a chance than to know you'll never have much no matter how hard you work. And then you add the Book, "Illusions" and thats when you know you can change your world to make it that way.
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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2024, 01:00:32 PM »
"late stage capitalism". That's a new one on me. Are you implying you know what the end of capitalism looks like? Maybe an example?

This system only really works by perpetual expansion which is observably in its end-game. Not just new markets or resources but the base-resource of people and we've already plopped over the top of the population roller-coaster which can be supported by this process. Look at Japan, Germany and especially places like Kerela. Further it is obviously incompatible with any notion of sustainable energy and it is energy - not political ideologies - which ultimately accounts for the modern improvements for the majority of people but also tremendous unrest over the future as it's clearly time to rethink simply digging stuff up to burn it. I think it's a transitional phase not the end of solutions.


Greed and selfishness are human nature.

This is a fascinating point of discussion. Of course all observable people have grown up under systems of great inequality and division. The deeper question is 'are' people greedy and selfish by nature or 'were' they this way until better systems came along. I mean looking back from the future on the present time rather than answering that question now. It's sometimes hard to be optimistic about Homo Sapiens overcoming their inherent flaws, maybe they won't, but counter intuitively you only seem to see the best when things are at their worst.


And you would replace capitalism with?

Oooh ooh, I'll take this one. I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

Many creative, intelligent and forward-thinking people have proposed solutions but massive institutional inertia needs massive nudges to change (and probably a cataclysmic event at this phase). Let's face it: those who are in 'power' would lose the most if more logical systems were introduced, at least that is how it is perceived by metrics that have been used to-date. There's no reward for holistic considerations, as Batfink observed: to the opposite. We're just seeing the results of processes applied over long periods without necessarily any design or forethought. As you say: all institutions pervert and corrupt over time.

From a certain perspective what is most wrong with the present United Kingdom and the now Russian Federation is that they were neither completely invaded nor conquered in the period of the second World War. Nearly all of Europe was, and where they had the freedom to do so, they sat down post-war and did a lot of work to devise newer, clean-sheet-of-paper and forward-thinking solutions. Britain, for example did not. They thought what they had been doing all along was obviously correct and so they simply kept on with superficial but not fundamental change. Look at the motorcycle industry in the 50s and 60s. Boy were they incapable of dynamic change. So much momentum of doing it the way it had always been done...

Isaac Asimov said in an interview around 1978 or so that 'mankind' (as it was described then) had reached the point where its problems can only be solved by uniting and working together in place of pursuing factional-interests. That was getting on for half a century ago or - if you like - one fifth of the duration of the Industrial Revolution!

There were once something like 16 hominids knocking around this planet, some of them overlapping. We're the last ones left and from a certain perspective the reasons for our success over the others are also the seeds of our own terminal doom. This is why unlocking A1, A2 and A3 at the Furbal lake in the present MPA is so essential.
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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2024, 01:56:09 PM »
We are all born selfish and greedy. We must be taught to share. Some never learn the benefits therein. When you consider that humans have a limited life span and do consume resources throughout you may see the benefit of putting aside some of your gain to then invest in younger generations getting started in their own endeavors. This is capitalism and it is renewable. Sure, you could do it collectively in varying degrees. History has and is proving that government becomes selfish with power, serving only to promote that power and its own security.
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Re: So....time for some bunker busters ?
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2024, 03:04:36 PM »
John 13:34-35

If we all lived as instructed above the reasons for this thread wouldn't exit nor our concerns of what system we are trying to exist under..

Simple really but we make it complicated with egotistical selfishness and believing the noise brainwashed into us from birth stating that we aren't spiritual beings having a human experience but need to dominate and one up everyone with everything

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