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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2024, 10:44:29 AM »
So then your better players or more experienced will still be in hot planes. That is why that method doesn't work.
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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2024, 10:49:07 AM »
So then your better players or more experienced will still be in hot planes. That is why that method doesn't work.
Yeah…until your 100 perk LA-7 encounters a set of free B-29s or your 200 perk T-34/85 runs into a 3 perk Tiger or you attack a base with Lancaster you paid for while you get swarmed by 3 free 262s.
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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2024, 10:50:00 AM »
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My thought was that ENY should trigger a sliding perk scale cost. AKA…your P-51/Spit costs perks if you want to fly it. As the ENY gets worse, the more perks you need to pay to fly your favorite ride and the more perks the outnumbered team earns for killing “perked” rides. Also, at some threshold, perked rides become free for the outnumbered team.

Doesn’t limit plane choices if you have perks to spend.


I must say that I like this one...  Would you reset perks each TOD, so all player start out with the same amount? I would think you would almost have to be fair.
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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2024, 10:52:48 AM »
IMO, many more super late war fighters should have a small perk. It would balance the fighters better. I do actually wish perk costs went up instead of canceling out planes/tanks all together.

It is hard for bombers, because once the ENY kicks in, you cannot fly bombers that are worth a damn, and planes with ord also get canceled which makes Jabo very tough.

So any players trying to bomb or jabo my log off. Which also can greatly impact your team if you are one field away from taking it.

One time we had ENY kicks in, one field needed, our CV was right there and all we could roll was F4Fs and A6M3s with hardly any ord. We couldn't take it and couldn't win because every decided to switch to our team for easy perks for the win.
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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2024, 10:54:26 AM »

I must say that I like this one...  Would you reset perks each TOD, so all player start out with the same amount? I would think you would almost have to be fair.
I've been here since day, one having a hard time finding a place to bury my perks in the backyard nowadays.

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Yeah. You’d have to do something to even out the playing field. I think I have somewhere around 60,000 fighters perks right now. You’d also have to monitor it for a while to see if it’s having the intended effect.
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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2024, 11:00:30 AM »
So then your better players or more experienced will still be in hot planes. That is why that method doesn't work.
If the price was steep enough it would be fine. It's also a psychological thing as well. People still roll Panzer 4's despite T-34-85s being 'only' 2-3 perks. You'd see a ton more Ostis if the Wirble was a flat 2 perks. Even that small cost has a significant impact.

If ENY5 kicked in and the P-51 went from 0 to 50 perks, there's a ton of people that would just find a different plane.
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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2024, 11:00:55 AM »
At the end of the day, I don’t see any changes coming (hope I’m wrong), so we just have to deal with what we’ve got.
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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2024, 11:40:09 AM »
It's also a psychological thing as well.
The psychological thing is legit. It has way more weight than it probably should.
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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2024, 11:42:53 AM »
The psychological thing is legit. It has way more weight than it probably should.

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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2024, 12:57:20 PM »
My thought was that ENY should trigger a sliding perk scale cost. AKA…your P-51/Spit costs perks if you want to fly it. As the ENY gets worse, the more perks you need to pay to fly your favorite ride and the more perks the outnumbered team earns for killing “perked” rides. Also, at some threshold, perked rides become free for the outnumbered team.

Doesn’t limit plane choices if you have perks to spend.

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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2024, 01:13:02 PM »
Re-brand the game, call it Aces High MAX or something. Reset all perk totals 9they dont take THAT long to build up), redo the ENY table for all planes and vehicles. Add the 2 perk charge for a wirble and such as suggested above. As ENY rises for a team allow spending of perks to fly what ever plane you want, but put it on a rolling scale so as the ENY rises so does the price of perks for those ENY influenced planes/vehicles. Add a half dozen plane/vehicles to the FREE ALWAYS pool for the MA. Resubmit the game under new branding to Steam.

Should bring in new players, and ease the pain of ENY

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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2024, 01:29:40 PM »
My thought was that ENY should trigger a sliding perk scale cost. AKA…your P-51/Spit costs perks if you want to fly it. As the ENY gets worse, the more perks you need to pay to fly your favorite ride and the more perks the outnumbered team earns for killing “perked” rides. Also, at some threshold, perked rides become free for the outnumbered team.

Doesn’t limit plane choices if you have perks to spend.
I like the idea, but the issue is most of the arena at this point is timid of fighting non perked planes. You make them pay for that plane imagine having to chase them to get that kill now.

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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2024, 01:36:18 PM »
The psychological thing is legit. It has way more weight than it probably should.
Yeah, it's bizarre but such are us humans. :)

I would implore HT to set some of these planes for just a week or two to a flat 2-3 perk cost and see what happens. P-51, Spit 16, La 7, 190D, Yak 3, Wirb. We've tried trials with M3 supplies, no perks, no ENY etc. Why not this.
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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2024, 01:51:56 PM »
Yeah, it's bizarre but such are us humans. :)

I would implore HT to set some of these planes for just a week or two to a flat 2-3 perk cost and see what happens. P-51, Spit 16, La 7, 190D, Yak 3, Wirb. We've tried trials with M3 supplies, no perks, no ENY etc. Why not this.

+10 for sure. I mean if players gonna cry about 2-5 perks, that's just weak, imo.
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Re: ENY change needed, and Perk points
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2024, 02:29:04 PM »
I like the idea, but the issue is most of the arena at this point is timid of fighting non perked planes. You make them pay for that plane imagine having to chase them to get that kill now.
I thought about that and there’s a little built in balance there. Gonna be hard to run from a free Tempest in your perked Dora.

Think about if you were doing a defense and you had access to a C-Hogs for free? Yeah, they might be timid, but that might actually buy you some breathing room to get out. Also, if you’re spending a fair amount of perks for a plane, you’ll might be a little more hesitant do plow in and de-ack.

I get what you’re saying but it might not be as bad as you think.
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