I don't understand the BS

[Yarbles]

Here and on 200 !!

I personally run, pick, gang and care about score etc but I do tend not to HO. (tend not to).

In my experience so does everyone else virtually without exception.

However people constantly whine in a rather undignified way about everyone else doing it and their poor moral character !!

Do people not look in the mirror anymore ?

I have respect for everyone but less for those who constantly criticize others for things they obviously do themselves 

WE ALL DO IT FFS. SHUT UP YOU JUST LOOK LIKE BURKS 

[Yarbles]

My observations:

People HO mostly because they expect others will.

People gang because they want their chance at the slice of pie

People run because they are outnumbered, in a poor situation with a better plane eg P51 V Brewster as in extend or are not very good.

People work on their score as it is something to do and makes them feel good.

People whinge on here and 200 simply because they are (FILL IN THE RELEVANT EXPLETIVE)

There is no difference between Knights, Rooks and Bish we are not in high school and many of the prominent members of the gaming community like Joker are not the devils spawn but people who have organised and trained many noobs and contributed allot to the community.

It is not necessary to rise to the bait every time btw and feel if someone calls you out in a video game in public they are your mortal enemy and a moral degenerate !!

I am sure it is not just English people who understand good sportsmanship, being a good loser, and learning from ones mistakes. Winning every time is not so important. this is not your life it is a game. If it is your life you would enjoy it a bit more maybe if you don't take it quite so seriously !!

How about getting a sense of satisfaction from developing your skills. People will recognize them when they see them even if they don't tell you about it. People will respect your skills without you argueing about it here and on 200. If you do it just diminishes you.  "Self praise is no recommendation". 
MERRY XMAS 

Maybe it is a culture thing but constantly criticizing the opposition and accusing them of cheating is not what we English call "Cricket" when we don't win 

[DmonSlyr]

The second I see a player attempting to go for the HO, I know I already have the advantage. 98% of the time they HO and 95% of the time they miss, and when they miss, I have the advantage.

They HO because it's all they know. And it's the easy way out, but most risky. Its their only chance of maybe getting a kill. Poor habits by non trained video gamers. Makes sense.

They gang because it's their only chance at maybe getting a kill.

The run because they don't have real training. And yes, generally getting ganged along with it. But that happens, you just have to turn off of the runner and hope they decide to get bold and turn back in on you.  The ganging makes it very tough, and I get it, believe me, but that is generally due to far bases, when your teammates get killed and leave you the last one there. What can you do? It's all about SA and making the right decisions. If you dive in with 5 cons and you are the only one. You can bet they will eventually get the higher hand. Most just aren't patient. But I agree, that ganging is probably the worse thing. In so many cases, I can't understand why so many have to gang 1 plane and lose all their SA and advantage to gang one plane. Its really poor strategy to gang one plane too, gives up a lot of advantage for your team since your alt cap is now gone. It's also a noob tactic because that is again, their only way to potentially get a kill.

Trash talk is just that. Its gonna happen. It's easy to be frustrated dying after a 15-20 minute flight where you get ganged or HOd, I get it.

Everyone picks. Why wouldn't they? That's why SA is so important. That's why patience is so important. You have to constantly be aware that any time you engange someone, someone else may be watching and waiting for you to engage so they can swoop down for an easy kill. Thats the name of the game.

[nrshida]

People will recognize them when they see them even if they don't tell you about it and respect you for it without you argueing about it here and on 200.     

No they won't. This is in a way a continuation of your other thread "When will it end". It won't end. You once told me in private conversation that normal is - by definition - that which the most people are doing (in a given social group or sect). Just assimilate what you observe: those that go on 200 and cause the loudest stink and fuss WANT to do that. It's not that they do that on the side of flying but the other way around. That's mainly why they're here / there. Obviously there's a prevailing double standard contingent on whether a thing is being done to you or you are doing it to others. The kind of mental-strength and self-honesty needed to route that out of an individual, by themselves, has hardly been the focus of societal development for the last decades. Quite the contrary.

People HO mostly because they expect others will.

Too complex. Players want kills and that's it. The more you join in in ganging other players in picking and so forth the weaker your ACM becomes because of it and thus you must depend more and more on that sort of gameplay and so you set the mode of your own prison. For instance: it is stupid to HO, even the really good shots have around 50% chance of taking damage either from a stray round or collision given the distance needed to fire safely otherwise it is too wasteful of good ammunition especially if you fly alone. Ask me how I know. If your ACM can't improve those odds then wtf are you doing here in a cartoon aeroplane in the first place?

See what you've missed Mr. Yarbles, in your absence, is a steady and relentless decline of the notion of challenging yourself whatsoever. The last I was in the MA certain members of an imfamously gangy group were essentially bragging how they could always get two teammates to join in and turn any fight into a 3-on-1. They don't care about the method. Only the results. Well that and trolling another player, mocking him and trying to humiliate him, obv (refer to my earliest observation). After all he did say critical things so must die. Challenge yourself if you wish to whatever percentage of your playtime you want to do that, but don't waste your time discussing it or trying to appeal to reason.

[horble]

People love to complain when the stuff they do to others gets done back to them, in RL and in game. It’s justified when I do it but it’s evil and nasty when you do it.

[Yarbles]

No they won't. This is in a way a continuation of your other thread "When will it end". It won't end. You once told me in private conversation that normal is - by definition - that which the most people are doing (in a given social group or sect). Just assimilate what you observe: those that go on 200 and cause the loudest stink and fuss WANT to do that. It's not that they do that on the side of flying but the other way around. That's mainly why they're here / there. Obviously there's a prevailing double standard contingent on whether a thing is being done to you or you are doing it to others. The kind of mental-strength and self-honesty needed to route that out of an individual, by themselves, has hardly been the focus of societal development for the last decades. Quite the contrary.


Too complex. Players want kills and that's it. The more you join in in ganging other players in picking and so forth the weaker your ACM becomes because of it and thus you must depend more and more on that sort of gameplay and so you set the mode of your own prison. For instance: it is stupid to HO, even the really good shots have around 50% chance of taking damage either from a stray round or collision given the distance needed to fire safely otherwise it is too wasteful of good ammunition especially if you fly alone. Ask me how I know. If your ACM can't improve those odds then wtf are you doing here in a cartoon aeroplane in the first place?

See what you've missed Mr. Yarbles, in your absence, is a steady and relentless decline of the notion of challenging yourself whatsoever. The last I was in the MA certain members of an imfamously gangy group were essentially bragging how they could always get two teammates to join in and turn any fight into a 3-on-1. They don't care about the method. Only the results. Well that and trolling another player, mocking him and trying to humiliate him, obv (refer to my earliest observation). After all he did say critical things so must die. Challenge yourself if you wish to whatever percentage of your playtime you want to do that, but don't waste your time discussing it or trying to appeal to reason.

Your right I have not been around for a long time but I am not aware that qualitatively things are worse than before. What I notice is a general increase in skills and people from a position of disadvantage fighting more readily than before. From a position and plane that is not necessarily in their favor and demonstrating great skill. The constant seems to be the hypocrisy which I don't really get. I am saying this because that is the raw data of my experience.

As to ganging and lack of ACM that which achieves the desired result is as I see it just another skill set but not a Joust agreed. We have squads precisely to bring disproportionate force to bare to overcome an enemy. Ho Ing is a skill but too random for someone who wants to be a top stick. Flying as a group is a great thing about AH but the best fights are like 4 against 4 not 4 against 1.

Its the hypocracy that overwhelms my sense of rationality. I will not give up on rationality as a result though. I point it out to save my ears from hearing it maybe but perhaps above all to try and understand and accept it as the realm of people I otherwise respect.

Situational Awareness:  "To be able to pick, gang choose a fight on unequal terms and when possible and most satisfying on equal terms and win or learn something". But don't cry about if you don't win and say you are morally superior than others. That is for me the reality.

Situational Awareness is a formidable skill and to avoid timidity has kills per hour in the fighter score for example. The rules are there. The playing field is even. The hardest part is perhaps the exposure to the difference between how good you think you are and really are and that is upsetting for many here and in life in general.   

[Animl-AW]

Your right I have not been around for a long time but I am not aware that qualitatively things are worse than before. What I notice is a general increase in skills and people from a position of disadvantage fighting more readily than before. From a position and plane that is not necessarily in their favor and demonstrating great skill. The constant seems to be the hypocrisy which I don't really get. I am saying this because that is the raw data of my experience.

As to ganging and lack of ACM that which achieves the desired result is as I see it just another skill set but not a Joust agreed. We have squads precisely to bring disproportionate force to bare to overcome an enemy. Ho Ing is a skill but too random for someone who wants to be a top stick. Flying as a group is a great thing about AH but the best fights are like 4 against 4 not 4 against 1.

Its the hypocracy that overwhelms my sense of rationality. I will not give up on rationality as a result though. I point it out to save my ears from hearing it maybe but perhaps above all to try and understand and accept it as the realm of people I otherwise respect.

Situational Awareness:  "To be able to pick, gang choose a fight on unequal terms and when possible and most satisfying on equal terms and win or learn something". But don't cry about if you don't win and say you are morally superior than others. That is for me the reality.

Situational Awareness is a formidable skill and to avoid timidity has kills per hour in the fighter score for example. The rules are there. The playing field is even. The hardest part is perhaps the exposure to the difference between how good you think you are and really are and that is upsetting for many here and in life in general.

Opinion from the village idiot....

It's not so much the game as it is human nature, a game or social media is a vehicle for a sub-conscience outlet. again IMO. Things you would not do or say in person or public view without shades.  A robber wears a mask so you can't see who just did a horrible thing. Take the mask off and they're not so ballsy.

Mean-while back at the ranch.

I don't fly FOR kills, they happen along the way of aiding whatever mission someone is running. If me killing field guns will help get them in that's what I'll probably do. If you're in my way ya gotta go.  More than likely it will be me who goes. ME THINKS, players who play like me are playing a bigger game. Racking kills is not the objective, playing a war is. I don't have to seek targets, they will find me where I go.

Another side of the a coin is those who don't play so much the war as much as they want to kill anything and everything, however ridiculous. The gamer. They play to the point system.

These are opposite mindsets, and the latter is an irritant to some, including me. But, the MA is a Melee arena, by definition, and all types fly there. I still view it as just a place to practice for scenarios, probably why I'm more of a mission guy.

In events I've been in there is very little of this nonsense. Most are on their best behavior and more disciplined flying,.. as you only get a certain numbers of lives. HOing and ramming isn't happening as much.

Me thinks, those like me who frown on cheap game play are happier within events, and why me thinks the less events to develop good habits, the more this type of MA play will happen. Ya just get conditioned to not want to do that stuff. Those who just want kills probably don't like events so much,....it's boring to them. Which for me, running in a well polished sqd formation on a mission is more funnest.

The Melee arena is just that, a ball of confusion.

Melee = chaos
Events = organized chaos

Events are important.

- the village idiot.

[oTRALFZo]

The other day I was called a ram tard when I was in B24s and a certain individual collided with me.
I have some in GVs broadcast on 200 on how the kill on them was a "proxie"  and that they bailed when I clearly saw them get hit and have been accused of the head-on even after getting the most beautiful 6 shot. In all.. people sometimes justify their suckage by claiming you are still unskilled to the rest of the world.

Bottom line is the HO shot is by far the easiest to avoid. I am no angel and I will oblige most of the time (in a 152/110 or IL2). You get to see the tone of the fight at first merge and if I am in fighter mode (not killing ords or deacking a town) then I will give them a fight.

[GOODBYE]

A player was mad at me because I rammed him as we were in the middle of a dogfight turning into each other. It’s just funny that two people are fighting hard 1 on 1 and the loser wants to set up the excuses on why they lost. Never makes sense to me and it never will. Just ignore it and move on, people trash talk and it’s not that big of a deal

[Shuffler]

I have actually chased as many as three planes at a time because they were outnumbered by me. 

[nopoop]

I had two P47s with altitude on me run a sector to the ack at a base....while flying my brew..

[icepac]

I chase runners with a slower plane and catch them. 
Not really slower but not many know how fast a yak9 is or that it can intercept b29s at 30k easily.

[nrshida]

Its the hypocracy that overwhelms my sense of rationality.

That's trivially explained, it allows people to sustain their ego-necessitated cognitive dissonance ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Situational Awareness:  "To be able to pick, gang choose a fight on unequal terms and when possible and most satisfying on equal terms and win or learn something". But don't cry about if you don't win and say you are morally superior than others. That is for me the reality.

You could be techically superior, more knowledgeable, more skillful and still get easily killed by three or four ubernoobs. Don't brag about it afterwards when you use those methods would have probably been a more healthy path for the culture to have taken than the one that was.

I think only Shane speaks out for the old ways now and look what they're trying to do to him. Bunch of weak-sauce, slack-jawwed, shaved apes. "Merry Christmas, you dirty animals". 

[RotBaron]

And here I thought quiet desperation was the English way.

If they’re at my base and have every advantage and still go for the HO I’ll oblige if in a decent enough bird to have a chance, after all- it appears that’s what they wanted. 🤷‍♂️

I do the opposite at their base, I’m not flying 10mins or more just to lose in a HO.

[waystin2]

Here and on 200 !!

I personally run, pick, gang and care about score etc but I do tend not to HO. (tend not to).

In my experience so does everyone else virtually without exception.

However people constantly whine in a rather undignified way about everyone else doing it and their poor moral character !!

Do people not look in the mirror anymore ?

I have respect for everyone but less for those who constantly criticize others for things they obviously do themselves 

WE ALL DO IT FFS. SHUT UP YOU JUST LOOK LIKE BURKS 

There are few that have the ability to admit that they made the mistake that got them shot down.  This tends to express itself in hilarious and sometimes nasty ways on 200 and via PM's.  Carry on and have fun!