Author Topic: Gun Control  (Read 2445 times)

Offline 1Cane

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 930
Gun Control
« on: December 13, 2024, 10:21:39 AM »
It has been reported that the agent who stopped the last assignation attempt of POTUS Trump was five feet from suspect. He fired 6 times and missed each time. This is a specially trained agent. I think the agency should issue the M14 to all field agents so if they miss their target, they can use their 10lb rifle as a club to better effect!                                  :banana: :neener: :banana:
           I believe gun control is hitting what you shoot at !
« Last Edit: December 13, 2024, 10:26:57 AM by 1Cane »
AkCaine

Offline Meatwad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 12830
Re: Gun Control
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2024, 11:11:10 AM »
Depends on if the agent was properly trained to begin with or a DEI hire to fill a "quota"
See Rule 19- Do not place sausage on pizza.
I am No-Sausage-On-Pizza-Wad.
Das Funkillah - I kill hangers, therefore I am a funkiller. Coming to a vulchfest near you.
You cant tie a loop around 400000 lbs of locomotive using a 2 foot rope - Drediock on fat women

Offline AKIron

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 12973
Re: Gun Control
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2024, 11:34:26 AM »
I guess it's been 20 years now but when I did the CC class in Texas we were told that 80% of the first shot fired by cops in real life incidents, not training, miss.
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

Offline Triton28

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2249
Re: Gun Control
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2024, 11:56:50 AM »
Takes a lot of shooting to reliably hit your target under stress - especially with a pistol.  Most LEO's I know will openly say they do not train enough.  Lots of reasons for that, some good, some not, but the amount of people who do train like their life depends on it are very few.   
Fighting spirit one must have. Even if a man lacks some of the other qualifications, he can often make up for it in fighting spirit. -Robin Olds
      -AoM-


Offline Puma44

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6780
Re: Gun Control
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2024, 12:10:26 PM »
During an FFDO training class at FLETC years ago, the instructor related a story about an FBI Agent and a bad guy standing 7 ft apart, both emptying their semi autos, and neither scoring a hit on the other.  Stress is a thing.



All gave some, Some gave all

Offline Shuffler

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 27207
Re: Gun Control
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2024, 12:31:13 PM »
Small muscle memory is the first out the door when under stress. Most LEOs do not practice a lot. Even with a lot of practice, there is no return fire to jack up the stress level.
80th FS "Headhunters"

S.A.P.P.- Secret Association Of P-38 Pilots (Lightning In A Bottle)

Offline nrshida

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8632
Re: Gun Control
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2024, 03:14:04 PM »
During an FFDO training class at FLETC years ago, the instructor related a story about an FBI Agent and a bad guy standing 7 ft apart, both emptying their semi autos, and neither scoring a hit on the other.  Stress is a thing.

That's not stress, one of them obviously had a dodgy internet connection.
"If man were meant to fly, he'd have been given an MS Sidewinder"

Offline icepac

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7124
Re: Gun Control
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2024, 03:49:21 PM »
That agent was walking along the fence and only noticed the barrel when he had almost walked right in front of it.   
I’m pretty sure he was moving rapidly to cover while firing in the general direction……all the while lamenting the complete lack of cover for himself.

Offline AKIron

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 12973
Re: Gun Control
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2024, 04:11:41 PM »
Aim small miss small.

Good movie.
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

Offline 1Cane

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 930
Re: Gun Control
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2024, 07:24:58 PM »
Greenwood Indiana mall Elisjha Dickens with a Glock engaged man with AR15 at 40 yards saving lives. I think your either a shooter or someone holding a weapon.
AkCaine

Offline Animl-AW

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3612
      • Aces High Tech Hangar
Re: Gun Control
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2024, 09:37:25 AM »
I’ve been down some roads.
The fear of death is why overreacting and missing the target, coupled with lack of practiced skill.

I get a chuckle out of modern gun enthusiast and their big bad AR-15s.
1) The above
2) old sayin; ya know how to dispatch some whacko with an AR? A very worn out pair of quiet tennis shoes and an 22 cal revolver. G’night.

Gun control. The art of controlling stupid.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2024, 09:39:25 AM by Animl-AW »

Online nopoop

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3177
Re: Gun Control
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2024, 12:13:29 PM »
Problem solved...

nopoop

It's ALL about the fight..

Offline Vulcan

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9898
Re: Gun Control
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2024, 03:58:33 PM »
I remember an interview with a british army training instructor from the 80s where he talked about how there is a deep psychological aversion to killing someone. With new recruits they observed that the majority, 80% I think, unconsciously aimed to miss at human targets. He talked about how the the army had to break down peoples morality to get them to aim to kill.

Offline Animl-AW

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3612
      • Aces High Tech Hangar
Re: Gun Control
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2024, 09:32:17 PM »
Problem solved...

(Image removed from quote.)

A guy down the street from us hunted wild boar with a 13” knife. Some were 200-400lbs.

Just sayin

As s former deer hunter, 1shot 1kill. :)

Offline Maverick

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13948
Re: Gun Control
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2024, 11:01:49 AM »
There has been documentation regarding finding the majority of discarded muskets in the civil war were loaded, several with multiple loads down the barrel as the soldier thought he fired it and immediately stuffed another round down the barrel.

Something similar in WW2 where many soldiers didn't actually fire their weapon when in combat. It became one of the major points to change in training.
DEFINITION OF A VETERAN
A Veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount of "up to and including my life."
Author Unknown