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Re: What happened to the 4000 series vcards?
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2025, 04:43:31 PM »
I got my 4080 in 2023, it appears I got lucky for a change
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Re: What happened to the 4000 series vcards?
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2025, 05:09:02 PM »
My 5080/9800x3d system performs very, very similarly to my 4090 system with an overclocked 14600k.  Still on the wait list for a 5090, so we'll see how that is when it becomes available. 


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Re: What happened to the 4000 series vcards?
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2025, 06:50:17 PM »
What is even more alarming than the price and insane turn around between 30/40/50 series releases is the abysmal build quality. Anyone who doesn't know how to open and re-thermal paste a GPU better learn now. The factory shipped paste jobs are incredibly inconsistent. The average consumer just assumes the card is broken and has to go through the hassle of attempting to get a replacement. In reality a 20 minute proper pasting job will solve this. Also many problems with the heat pads that protect the memory.

The reality currently is that GPU are 5 times the price they are worth and have been manufactured with 5 times less attention than they deserve, especially when it costs so much to buy. The silicon giants do not give one solitary fark about any of us.
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Re: What happened to the 4000 series vcards?
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2025, 01:18:55 AM »
The silicon giants do not give one solitary fark about any of us.

If there were decent competition in graphics cards, it would solve the issue.

But to me, it looks like both AMD and nVidia are ridiculously priced and out of supply.

I suppose it could be just that demand is persistently high with persistently little price sensitivity.

But I get suspicious of purposeful supply restriction by colluding businesses.

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Re: What happened to the 4000 series vcards?
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2025, 06:17:33 AM »
When they realized that $500 was cheap and that we so addicted we would pay > $1000 for a video card..it was all over but the crying...

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Re: What happened to the 4000 series vcards?
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2025, 01:37:59 PM »
More bad news and more reasons to avoid the RTX 50x0 cards specially the RTX5090

"Some RTX 5090s are shipping with missing ROP units, leading to less gaming performance"

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/some-rtx-5090s-are-shipping-with-missing-rop-units-leading-to-less-gaming-performance-report
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Re: What happened to the 4000 series vcards?
« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 08:14:36 AM »
When they realized that $500 was cheap and that we so addicted we would pay > $1000 for a video card..it was all over but the crying...

We created this monster..

Eagler

The advanced cards are very powerful and expensive to make. You can still buy a cheap card without that reproducing reality performance though. If there is demand they will build it.
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Re: What happened to the 4000 series vcards?
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 11:42:26 AM »
Mine is a 3080 12gb Strix overclock. I got it to make my current PC all same gen with a 5800x3d. It's waaaay overkill for AH so anyone looking for a card JUST to play AH might consider a lower tier card. I haven't even logged into IL-2 in a while but I'd get around 65fps in that one with stuff fairly max'd out. My latest jam is MSFS which is far more demanding with graphics especially in VR. I fight to stay in the 40s in VR with that one. And I'm in VR almost all the time now. Can't go back to a monitor flying now.

While I'd like to upgrade to a 40 or 50 series card, not only are they crazy expensive--that whole cable melting thing has me really turned off. I thought it was a bad idea the first time I saw it and once the 40 series ones started melting I was like--uh huh--saw that coming. It's simple physics! There's a reason the wires in your house are the gauge they are--so that your house doesn't burn down! Those rules are kinda universal in electricity and these guys were just trying to come up with a more stylish power cord. That didn't work. But did that stop them from putting basically the same under-rated cord on the 50 series cards that pull about 100 amps more than the 40s that melted? Nah! I'm interested to see how that whole thing plays out. I watch a couple of YT video card repair guys that say they were getting the 40 series melteds in every week. I don't buy the "user error" excuse. If it's that easy to screw up, it should be designed better to rule that out if it's happening this much.

There's that and the thing Mayhem is talking about with the missing ROPs. How in the heck does that even happen? Talk about bad QC!
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Re: What happened to the 4000 series vcards?
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 01:01:29 PM »
Nvidia is saying about .5% of the cards have some failed ROPs. That's 1 in 200 cards but yeah, too many. They still work just at maybe 10% slower speeds. I'd rather get one that doesn't work at all. I have two 3070s (in 2 machines) and probably won't upgrade until both give up the ghost. I don't do VR and they are fine.
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Re: What happened to the 4000 series vcards?
« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 01:24:36 PM »
The advanced cards are very powerful and expensive to make. You can still buy a cheap card without that reproducing reality performance though. If there is demand they will build it.

Cheap? What just $300 for a "cheap" video card that can push games today at best medium graphics?

$300 isn't cheap to most folks

By the time the average Joe pays it off his credit card you can add another 15% at least to the cost

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Re: What happened to the 4000 series vcards?
« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 04:24:29 PM »
You can buy video cards for less than that. Of course the key there is current video games. You want more power you're gonna pay more. Why should ever increasing performance remain the same price?

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Re: What happened to the 4000 series vcards?
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 11:33:29 PM »
Don't get me wrong Eagler. As technology improves our electronics, and that is the heart of todays technology, I too would like to enjoy that benefit without a bigger bite of my budget. The reality is that feelings don't matter to facts.
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