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Offline awyoda3

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Deflection shooting training request
« on: March 06, 2025, 02:04:14 PM »
Hey!

I was wondering if anyone has any tips when it comes to deflection shooting as I find myself getting these opportunities a lot but never seem to actually hit when I know I am in a good position to do so. I was wondering if there’s videos for this, Overall knowledge, or if it’s something that purely comes down to practice?


I also feel my overall shots go kill ratios at every week as well. Lot of ammo for little kill counts. Leading to shorter combat times due to rearms. As the planes I’ve been using(C.205, Brew, 190) have very limited number of rounds so I wish to learn how to make them count more often allowing me to stay in combat with allies longer.


 Thank you again very much! And I hugely appreciate the support!
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Re: Deflection shooting training request
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2025, 02:30:00 PM »
Practice is the best thing.

Watch your films to see where you are missing.....high, low, too far in front, too far behind.

Fly planes that have the same type of guns, Ponies fire fast and like lazers, NIKs fire slow with lots of drop. Site pictures are very different.

Learn your site. Fighter gunnery or Sites and Shooting are a couple of .pdf's that I have hosted on my "Help Site" that could help. I use a site I made myself. It has long lines on it so it makes it easier for me to line it up with the flight path of my target better. You can get it HERE The center dot is also lowered in the site to allow for bullet drop.

As for your shooting now, a Hit% of 2 or so is average. Most players are under that. You are over, but a lot of your kills are med and hvy bombers which inflates the percentage. (bigger targets so more bullets find hits). So you are already hitting pretty good

Last thing that helps some players is the old saying "aim small miss small" Aiming for a true target....engine on a bomber, wing root on any plane, pilot. Concentrating on a small target instead or the broad side of a barn......err plane help some zero in better.
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Re: Deflection shooting training request
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2025, 02:31:32 PM »
I'll comment only on what has helped me...go to Monday Night Madness...turn on the aim assist and see where and how much you have to lead in certain angles and maneuvers...helped me a lot!

Next I'd try using a cowl mounted gun plane...like the 38...till you're comfortable. Shooting in a straight line is a lot easier than trying to figure out where your bullets cross.

Speaking of cross, crossing shots also helped me..rather than chase their butt and try to shoot ahead of them...I just aim my plane towards where I think they will be...this gets better with practice of course.

Watching videos and understanding why some people fly the way they do also helped! I actually watched many old YouTube video from ww2 teaching pilots ACM.

It takes time, it takes good practices and willingness to break old bad habits...hope this helps
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Re: Deflection shooting training request
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2025, 02:33:29 PM »
Practice is the best thing.

Watch your films to see where you are missing.....high, low, too far in front, too far behind.

Fly planes that have the same type of guns, Ponies fire fast and like lazers, NIKs fire slow with lots of drop. Site pictures are very different.

Learn your site. Fighter gunnery or Sites and Shooting are a couple of .pdf's that I have hosted on my "Help Site" that could help. I use a site I made myself. It has long lines on it so it makes it easier for me to line it up with the flight path of my target better. You can get it HERE The center dot is also lowered in the site to allow for bullet drop.

As for your shooting now, a Hit% of 2 or so is average. Most players are under that. You are over, but a lot of your kills are med and hvy bombers which inflates the percentage. (bigger targets so more bullets find hits). So you are already hitting pretty good

Last thing that helps some players is the old saying "aim small miss small" Aiming for a true target....engine on a bomber, wing root on any plane, pilot. Concentrating on a small target instead or the broad side of a barn......err plane help some zero in better.

Yooo Fuji! That's a nice sight!  :cheers: :salute
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Re: Deflection shooting training request
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2025, 02:35:31 PM »
Yooo Fuji! That's a nice sight!  :cheers: :salute

Thanks, trying to keep the info from disappearing on the interwebs. So many sites just disappear.

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Re: Deflection shooting training request
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2025, 02:39:34 PM »
Try and stick with one country’s guns while you figure out how much to lead, 50 cals or Hispanos will require much less lead than German guns for example.


Also lead more, much more than you think.
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Re: Deflection shooting training request
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2025, 02:52:59 PM »
The biggest help for me on this was to watch the film and see what range I usually started shooting and then adjust my conv to that range.

When I'm about to shoot I try to draw a line in front of the plane and figure where he'll be when my bullets get there and then I shoot farther in front of that position. I agree with the: "pull more lead then you think" pull lead to the point that you think your bullets will go in front of them and you'll probably hit their tail.

 VR also helped me because it made everything bigger

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Re: Deflection shooting training request
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2025, 05:14:54 PM »
Practice is the best thing.

Watch your films to see where you are missing.....high, low, too far in front, too far behind.

Fly planes that have the same type of guns, Ponies fire fast and like lazers, NIKs fire slow with lots of drop. Site pictures are very different.

Learn your site. Fighter gunnery or Sites and Shooting are a couple of .pdf's that I have hosted on my "Help Site" that could help. I use a site I made myself. It has long lines on it so it makes it easier for me to line it up with the flight path of my target better. You can get it HERE The center dot is also lowered in the site to allow for bullet drop.

As for your shooting now, a Hit% of 2 or so is average. Most players are under that. You are over, but a lot of your kills are med and hvy bombers which inflates the percentage. (bigger targets so more bullets find hits). So you are already hitting pretty good

Last thing that helps some players is the old saying "aim small miss small" Aiming for a true target....engine on a bomber, wing root on any plane, pilot. Concentrating on a small target instead or the broad side of a barn......err plane help some zero in better.


Thank you very much for the info and the links!! I’ll definitely do some research on this :) and knowledge I’m very appreciative!


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Re: Deflection shooting training request
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2025, 05:16:04 PM »
Try and stick with one country’s guns while you figure out how much to lead, 50 cals or Hispanos will require much less lead than German guns for example.


Also lead more, much more than you think.


This makes sense! Thank you!!
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Re: Deflection shooting training request
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2025, 05:17:52 PM »
Also thank you all so much for the help guidance insight, in such short amount of time! Im definitely going to put it all into work. Watch films, do research, practice of course and continue to learn!

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Re: Deflection shooting training request
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2025, 08:19:46 AM »
The aim assist available in Monday night madness, offline, or in custom arenas, is by far the best way to create muscle memory for any type of shooting, any type of weapons.

Also in the matchplay arena there are drones that will fight you and provide targets.  Depending on the time of day you play, the amount of opportunity to shoot targets might be much higher in there.

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Re: Deflection shooting training request
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2025, 06:08:18 PM »
Couple of tips no one has mentioned yet:

If you have a Joystick and have views set on it. Set your 12 o'clock button to the "look forward" view. Then once in the cockpit, press and  hold the button, then hit "page up" as far as it will go" on your keyboard then hit F10 to save view. Now, when you go to shoot and lead, you can look a little higher above the gunsite to see the plane your shooting better. Some planes are better than others for it. The F4u can look very far forward while the 109, not soo much. Its always been very helpful to me for the most part.

Also, for many turn style planes and single cannon shooters, when you are coming around on a plane, you'll want to fly to where the enemy is going to be, time it, and then shoot as they are crossing infront. This takes lots of practice and understanding, but if you work on it, it's very effective. The best place is to practice in Match play against the drones. MnM is great too. Just be careful if you are already slow in a turn fight that turning in early trying to get a lead pursuit will burn more E, so you had better make sure to get the shot or make sure you have enough speed to extend away or able to use an angle with altitude to cut down and under creating more of an oval than a turn.

In lead shooting diving on a plane. Its all about maintaining 1.5 seconds of rounds in the shoot to ensure it's enough to take them down. With 50 cals, you want to hold down for 1 to 1.5 seconds, with cannons just about 1 second.  You want to make sure they fly into the bullets. Use about 350-400 in your convergence. Further out convergence, you don't have to lead so far but your bullets shoot higher straight on. Lower convergence is great for realy close snap shots, but they shoot lower which means you'll have to lead even further. Convergence is a practice and you have set it where you normally feel comfortable. In AH, it seems like you can aim a little easier further out compared to other sims, so 300-400 is a good spot for me.

American 50 cals - Best for lead shooting coming down on a plane with speed. Quick snap shots are not ideal as you need atleast 50 rounds hitting at the same time to really be effective. Never HO with 50s only.

Cannons - best for crossing snap shot, getting planes to overshoot for quick devastating shots. Best for forcing a plane to maneuver and then putting your nose where they will be and firing as they cross. Best for HO shooting tho not recommended at any time. Planes like the 190D are flown more like the P51 American planes so lead shooting is necessary but is harder in a row 190D due to the long nose. 109s are generally always crossing shots unless you bring goodies and have more flexibility with more ammo. I always bring gondolaz because it's better to kill them quickly than to chase a plane thinking you are cool for being lighter only to get jumped chasing the guy for too long when he should well dead already.

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Re: Deflection shooting training request
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2025, 11:15:08 PM »
Couple of tips no one has mentioned yet:

If you have a Joystick and have views set on it. Set your 12 o'clock button to the "look forward" view. Then once in the cockpit, press and  hold the button, then hit "page up" as far as it will go" on your keyboard then hit F10 to save view. Now, when you go to shoot and lead, you can look a little higher above the gunsite to see the plane your shooting better. Some planes are better than others for it. The F4u can look very far forward while the 109, not soo much. Its always been very helpful to me for the most part.

Also, for many turn style planes and single cannon shooters, when you are coming around on a plane, you'll want to fly to where the enemy is going to be, time it, and then shoot as they are crossing infront. This takes lots of practice and understanding, but if you work on it, it's very effective. The best place is to practice in Match play against the drones. MnM is great too. Just be careful if you are already slow in a turn fight that turning in early trying to get a lead pursuit will burn more E, so you had better make sure to get the shot or make sure you have enough speed to extend away or able to use an angle with altitude to cut down and under creating more of an oval than a turn.

In lead shooting diving on a plane. Its all about maintaining 1.5 seconds of rounds in the shoot to ensure it's enough to take them down. With 50 cals, you want to hold down for 1 to 1.5 seconds, with cannons just about 1 second.  You want to make sure they fly into the bullets. Use about 350-400 in your convergence. Further out convergence, you don't have to lead so far but your bullets shoot higher straight on. Lower convergence is great for realy close snap shots, but they shoot lower which means you'll have to lead even further. Convergence is a practice and you have set it where you normally feel comfortable. In AH, it seems like you can aim a little easier further out compared to other sims, so 300-400 is a good spot for me.

American 50 cals - Best for lead shooting coming down on a plane with speed. Quick snap shots are not ideal as you need atleast 50 rounds hitting at the same time to really be effective. Never HO with 50s only.

Cannons - best for crossing snap shot, getting planes to overshoot for quick devastating shots. Best for forcing a plane to maneuver and then putting your nose where they will be and firing as they cross. Best for HO shooting tho not recommended at any time. Planes like the 190D are flown more like the P51 American planes so lead shooting is necessary but is harder in a row 190D due to the long nose. 109s are generally always crossing shots unless you bring goodies and have more flexibility with more ammo. I always bring gondolaz because it's better to kill them quickly than to chase a plane thinking you are cool for being lighter only to get jumped chasing the guy for too long when he should well dead already.

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This all makes a lot of sense thank you very much! Especially the view save move forgot about being able to do that. Thank you again!

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