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Upgrade Season
« on: March 22, 2025, 03:48:12 PM »
It's Upgrade Season!

According to same game benchmarks my AMD x5900 12 core CPU is my performance bottleneck.

So I'm upgrading!

Fortunately as a bonus surprise I got an email From Nvidia that I won the wait list lottery and His Lordship Jensen Huang has blessed me with the privileged of Purchasing an RTX 5080 FE at MSRP. (They sell for nearly twice MSRP online right now)
So this is what I'm going to have for primary and secondary systems
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Mayhem-x3d (Gaming & High end WS)
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Thermaltake w-100 EATX case
Asrock x870e Nova Wifi AM5 ATX
AMD R9 9950x3d AM5 CPU
ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 420 A-RGB CPU Cooler
CORSAIR Vengeance RGB 96GB (2 x 48GB) DDR5 6000 CMH96GX5M2B6000Z30 Memory
Samsung 9100 PRO 2TB, PCIe 5.0x4 M.2 2280 SSD
Samsung 990 PRO 4TB, PCIe 4.0x4 M.2 2280 SSD
Western Digital WD_BLack SN850x 8TB PCIe 4.0x4 M.2 2280 SSD
LG WH16NS60 16x Internal Ultra 4K Sata Blu-ray BDXL M-Disc Drive/Writer
Nvidia RTX 5080 Founders Edition PCIe X16 Gen 5 Grahics Card
Creative Sound BlasterX AE-5 Plus PCIe x1 Sound Card
NZXT C1500 Platinum 1500 Watts ATX 3.1 Fully Modular Low-Noise 80+ Platinum Power Supply
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Phanteks Enthoo Pro series PH-ES614PC_BK Full Tower Computer Case
ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO Wifi AM4 ATX
AMD R9 5900x AM4 CPU
Noctua NH-U12A CPU Air Cooler with NF-A12x25 PWM Fans
G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4 3600  F4-3600C16Q-64GVKC Memory
Samsung 980 PRO 2TB, PCIe 4.0x4 M.2 2280 SSD
XPG SX8200 Pro 2TB, PCIe 3.0x4 M.2 2280 SSD
8TB Raid 10 Raid Array comprised of 4 Toshiba N300 4TB NAS SATA
6 GB/s 7200 RPM HDWQ140XZSTA HDD)
LG WH16NS60 16x Internal Ultra 4K Sata Blu-ray BDXL M-Disc Drive/Writer
EVGA Nvidia RTX 3080 FTW 3 Ultra gaming PCIe X16 Gen 4 Grahics Card
Creative Sound BlasterX AE-5 Plus PCIe x1 Sound Card
Corsair AX850, 850 Watt  Fully Modular ATX 80+ Titanium, Power Supply
« Last Edit: March 22, 2025, 04:45:02 PM by Mayhem »
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Re: Upgrade Season
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2025, 04:08:17 PM »
No floppy drive or game port?

So the 990 Pro is for just storage like the WD Black or does the 9100 not come in 4TB yet?

That rig should be useable for quite a bit of time! Your kid is going to inherit a nice rig someday.
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Re: Upgrade Season
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2025, 05:10:39 PM »
No floppy drive or game port?

So the 990 Pro is for just storage like the WD Black or does the 9100 not come in 4TB yet?

That rig should be usable for quite a bit of time! Your kid is going to inherit a nice rig someday.

My kids system (2nd Fastest in the house) is almost as good as my existing System. He has a 3070Ti 32gb DDR4 and an R5 5600x  I wanted to do a CPU MB Mem and GPU swap with him but he doesn't want to deal with the down time and possibly have to re-install his OS software and games.

About Storage

My Current Primary system (fastest in the house) is going to replace my Workstation/Guest Gaming System (3rd fastest) So I will have the 2 fastest systems.

C:\(OS) My OS APP and Flight Sim drive. Uses a Samsung 980 PRO 2TB, PCIe 4.0x4 M.2 2280 SSD Currently my DCS World uses 931 GB (YES 931GB for just my DCS install) I'm running out of space (>10%) On the new system this will be a faster gen 5 drive and it will only have the OS Apps and Programs on it ... No games No sims specially not DCS, They will all go on the 4tb Samsung (D:\).

D:\(Games) My Games drive. Uses a XPG SX8200 Pro 2TB, PCIe 3.0x4 M.2 2280 SSD steam alone almost filled it once. On the new system it will be a 4tb 990 Pro Gen 4 and hopefully all my games will fit on it.

E:\(Data) is my Data storage and archival drive. It is an 8TB Raid 10 Raid Array comprised of 4 Toshiba N300 4TB NAS SATA 6 GB/s 7200 RPM HDDs  Mechanical hard drives and requires 4 sata ports and is actually faster than a Sata SSD and about 2/3rds to 3/4s as fast as a gen 3 NVME and as an added bonus has redundancy. In the new system this will be a Western Digital WD_BLack SN850x 8TB PCIe 4.0x4 M.2 2280 SSD

My old Motherboard has 6 Sata 6gb ports, and 2 PCIe Gen 4 NVME M.2 Slots

My new Motherboard has 4 Sata 6gb ports, 1 PCIe Gen 5 NVME M.2 Slot, 3 PCIe Gen 4 NVME M.2 Slots, and 1 PCIe Gen 3 (x2 not x4) NVME M.2 Slots (Gen 3 shares with PCIE x4 slot)

As much as I like raid I think I'm done with Mechanical Hard Drives. Making a Raid 10 array out of Sata 4TB Sata SSDs is as More Expensive and not as fast as a PCIe 4.0x4 M.2 2280 SSD the only thing the Raid 10 brings to the table is Redundancy and fault protection.

Basically I'm taking all the internals from my existing case (Thermaltake core w100) and transferring it over to another (Phanteks Enthoo Pro) and basically building a new system in the Core W-100

The 9100 Pro does come in 4 ($550) and 8 TB (Soon) but a the 4tb model is more expensive than the 4tb 990 pro gen 4 ($312 I got mine for less) and almost (90%) as expensive as the 8tb Western Digital WD_BLack SN850x ($600 I got mine bundled for less)

So long as I keep my Regular Games and DCS off of the 2tb OS drive I should have more then enough room for all my stuff.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2025, 05:47:56 PM by Mayhem »
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Re: Upgrade Season
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2025, 05:24:34 PM »
Just helped my brother build a new machine. You want a fast gen5 drive the Crucial T705 flies. I've long told him that as technology advances it approaches a point of diminishing returns. Asymptotic if you will. Doubling performance sounds great but is there really that much difference between 2 microseconds and 1 microsecond? When they add up, yes, yes there is a difference and noticeable it is.
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Re: Upgrade Season
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2025, 05:30:14 PM »
You do want DCS on your fastest drive though. Regardless how much memory you have and preload maxed it will hit the drive in game.
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Re: Upgrade Season
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2025, 05:44:27 PM »
You do want DCS on your fastest drive though. Regardless how much memory you have and preload maxed it will hit the drive in game.

I thought that and a lot of people claim that, but I personally never saw any performance gains not even load times going from gen 3 to Gen 4 (moved from D:\ a Gen 3 to C:\ a Gen 4 SSD).

You may see a gain going from Sata 6 to NVME or Slow Gen3 to Fast Gen 5 but I think going Gen 3 to 4, or 4 to 5 with the fastest drives in their generation You will not have a perceivable gain.

Damned Gh0st the guy that Built Owns and Manages our DCS servers tested it with Gen 3, 4, and 5 and he didn't detect any noticeable or recordable (Benchmark) gains.

However if you have an Nvidia card You want your OS (C:\Users\[USERNAME]\AppData\Local\NVIDIA) drive to be your fastest drive due to the Shader Cache.

All of the SSDs in my new system are some of the fastest in their generation with Gen 4 being the oldest/slowest.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2025, 05:55:55 PM by Mayhem »
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Re: Upgrade Season
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2025, 06:20:21 PM »
I have a Ryzen 7 5800X3D/RTX 3070 system with gen 4 drives. Did I observe a difference in load times between his new system and mine? Oh yes, I did.

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Re: Upgrade Season
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2025, 06:24:12 PM »
I have 64GB of DDR4. He has 64GB of DDR5 which is also a factor. I didn't clock it but my feeling is 10 seconds start up vs 5.

CPU and GPU are also factors. Still, I feel when drives are being accessed they are the biggest factor.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2025, 06:28:12 PM by AKIron »
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Re: Upgrade Season
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2025, 08:03:28 AM »
Back in AH2, I  could see the hard drive activity light and I knew somebody was nearby.   

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Re: Upgrade Season
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2025, 02:06:11 PM »
I am thinking the age of AH, it is very limited on the number of CPU cores it uses.   Maye Hitech would give us a little insight.  The point is the number of cores may not be a big influence on AH.

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Re: Upgrade Season
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2025, 02:29:02 PM »
I am thinking the age of AH, it is very limited on the number of CPU cores it uses.   Maye Hitech would give us a little insight.  The point is the number of cores may not be a big influence on AH.

My old Work Station, a H97 Xeon E31231V3 32gb 1080ti system, can pretty much handle AH maxed out even in VR

That system is being replaced by my x570 5900x 64gb 3080 System internals which can crush all but the latest and greatest games (DCS/VR MSFS/VR Cyberpunk 2077) and Mostly sees low Frame Rates in VR Games where my CPU was my bottleneck (CPU Limited).

This is why I'm upgrading ... Been waiting for the 9950X3d and reviews for the 9950X3D. The 5080 was just icing on the cake as I was not expecting to get one at this time at MSRP I actually resigned myself to skipping another generation (40x0 + 50X0).
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