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Offline icepac

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b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« on: April 03, 2025, 02:34:46 PM »

You can tell by his radio text that he's trying to justify bailing and that's why this was filmed.   




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Re: b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2025, 03:57:06 PM »
I watched your Spit14 climb from 20K to 35K and level out with me, then instantly start gaining on me.

But....if you really want to know the real reason... I ripped my elevators off, and when I bailed, I seen you didnt get the kill reward. So..I punched out of the other two, as I had no confidence you were playing fair ball.

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Re: b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2025, 04:36:01 PM »
You can tell by his radio text that he's trying to justify bailing and that's why this was filmed.

Weird.. the 35k bomb and bailer with a large trap.  Didn't see this one coming... wait..

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Re: b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2025, 10:12:49 PM »
Weird.. the 35k bomb and bailer with a large trap.  Didn't see this one coming... wait..

Unsurprising..any chance to troll, Lazer doesn't miss an opportunity.
 

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Re: b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2025, 10:28:45 PM »
Weird.. the 35k bomb and bailer with a large trap.  Didn't see this one coming... wait..

I heard he stayed on the Map ... for a nice change.
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Re: b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2025, 10:36:54 PM »
SPIT14 at 20K will climb to 36K in about 6-7 minute, then once up to speed will have a 100 mph advantage over the B29, so ya it will close.

Cap you said something about "player cheating the sim only cheat themselves", well you bailing instead of fighting it out can be seen as a "cheat". Grow a set and fight it out.

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Re: b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2025, 12:59:05 AM »
SPIT14 at 20K will climb to 36K in about 6-7 minute, then once up to speed will have a 100 mph advantage over the B29, so ya it will close.

Also when reaching 35k, the Spitfire already has a speed of 310 mph

For reference, a basic time to climb graph for the 14:

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Re: b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2025, 02:32:24 AM »
Should have fought instead of purposely diving your control surfaces off.     

You meandered about with a greedy and faulty mission profile while smack talking your unknown pursuer and obviously not understanding the ride he was in.     

You had a 80 percent chance to win because my gunnery is terrible and I only win about 20 percent of the time.

Spit 14 is the fastest climbing prop plane to high altitude but you have to watch your boost gauge and fuel consumption and know about the “hole” between 17k and 22k because straight climbing or using wep to compensate for critical altitude will just burn up your fuel.

When approaching the “boost hole altitude”, you level off before boost is too low gain enough speed  to then zoom climb through the hole to where the blower comes back in.

As the matter of fact, I rarely use WEP in the spit 14 below 22k.

HTC’s powerplant behavior modeling is good enough that applying what you learn from studying real life test data from a plane and applying the knowledge correctly will give you an advantage in climb, speed and fuel consumption.

Had you stayed with your bombers and never descended, you would probably have easily gunned me down and landed safely.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2025, 03:26:27 AM by icepac »

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Re: b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2025, 03:44:30 AM »
Should have fought instead of purposely diving your control surfaces off.     


Especially when considering the Spit's fragility, the B-29s firepower and the great difficulty in setting up anything other than a 6 o'clock attack at such extreme altitude (takes a lot of time which the 14 usually doesn't have). I, for one, wouldn't have been worried about a Spit XIV on my tail when in a Superfortress myself.

But I guess he already was in rage mode.  :furious  :D
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Re: b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2025, 04:45:51 AM »
SPIT14 at 20K will climb to 36K in about 6-7 minute, then once up to speed will have a 100 mph advantage over the B29, so ya it will close.


That would of been normal.....but what I witnessed, was NOT that. I sat in my tail gun and watched his Spit do a direct climb up, to the point where it really caught my eye. I even put on coms at that time, "Nice UBER Spit you have there"

So as I stated, I didn't know who it was and had no confidence that the player was playing within the parameters of the sim.

Busher.....As for flying off the map.... I have flown bombers for 20+ years in AH, and in has only been the last 3-4 months I have decided that OFF the map approach is an option, to combat these ME163s. 2 hours I will invest into setting up for an approach.....and the NME only has to invest 2 min, to ruin my time invested. Personally, I feel this is very unbalanced. Then....to add insult to injury, where our community is so thin and comprised of highly skilled pilots, I would end up with 3-4 163s attacking my buffs...... if simply took the FUN out of bombing. So my only countermeasure is to have a surprise attack approach, from the dark side. I do not like flying off the map....but the 163's have driven me there.

So that's it. Pretty easy to understand......unless you are one of the folks in here, that no matter what I type, you're here to have conflict. Lazer should be chiming in soon with some smug comment.  ;)
« Last Edit: April 04, 2025, 04:47:31 AM by capera »

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Re: b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2025, 04:56:15 AM »

You meandered about with a greedy and faulty mission profile while smack talking your unknown pursuer and obviously not understanding the ride he was in.     


I did three passes over your AAA, which sure had your team resupping.   :aok

Next time, how about you use a Spit14 that climbs like the chart reads. Not the 20 second climb to 36k, that you enjoyed.

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Re: b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2025, 05:00:20 AM »
You can tell by his radio text that he's trying to justify bailing and that's why this was filmed.

Conveniently... his recording of the event started when he was 34K.

I am done talking about this. I know what I witnessed and I made a call to do what I did.

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Re: b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2025, 07:04:18 AM »

But I guess he already was in rage mode.  :furious  :D

No sir. I do not rage anymore, but thank you for your sht comment.

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Re: b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2025, 07:56:46 AM »
Where's your film?   

A plane going 400mph into a zoom cliimb or even a relatively shallow climb climbs a ton faster than one climbing at 180 knots.   Had you watched your film, this would be a non-issue.

I took off in front of you by about  3/4 the diameter of the dar circle.   

I did this after someone said "B29s" and asked on country channel "who said B29s?" and oldwolf replied so I moused over planes with flashing bases and took off when you showed in the dar and I could guess your intended path. 

As I climbed, you pulled away so I leveled out just below the altitude where boost hasn't decreased to the point of slowing the plane a lot and crept up to 400mph maybe more and you made a turn that perfectly matched up with the wind at that altitude so I used it to close and get under you and did a zoom climb to level out at about 24k and then a 1000fpm descent with WEP to 22k feet since you were pulling away fast.   I was going over 400mph and closed.

I was lucky because I never got visual on your bombers simply because you were so much higher but I was going 430mph at 22k feet.    I was never a dot to your perspective until I closed and got under you...........20k or more under you and then engaged WEP. 

Since it looked like you were headed home where no dar rings were active, I climbed from 22k slightly but tried to keep my speed up by not climbing a crazy steep angle but I started that climb at 430mph.   

I purposely do zoom climbs while chasing bombers because it makes them panic and sometimes I can get a bomber pilot to try to trade altitude for speed. 

Guess what?   Diving a bomber to get away from a fighter never works...............but you didn't panic and dive but I knew you would, eventually.    Just started talking smack on 200.   

I was going climb to 28,500 to use the same winds you had at 28k but you went back to the ack strat so I stayed around 26k to work that wind to my advantage since 28k wind was not in the right direction.     

Every turn turned you made put me in the sweet spot concerning wind direction at the altitudes I was flying at.   

I used this bonus to run low manifold pressure while still closing but I was 10k below you and low on fuel.     Then I discovered I had not dropped the slipper tank.

Since you flew through working dar circles, I could relax my normal tactic of never letting the dots out of my sight and concentrate on maximizing fuel economy while maintaining around 400mph.   

When you turned directly into the wind at 28k, I zoomed up to 28.500 feet and used that headwind to get higher with WEP on but had to level off around 32k and go back to fuel savings mode as I watched the speed slowly creep back up to 400mph.   

You remarked I wasn't closing and I wasn't so I zoomed up much higher than you with wep, leveled, and descended at 1000fpm with WEP still on until I felt fast enough to level and pull manifold pressure back and go back to saving fuel.   

That's when you thought I would eventually catch you but you didn't know that I only had 11 minutes fuel left and was down to 6 minutes when I finally got within icon distance knowing I would never catch you.   

Then you dove!!!     

Bombers cannot out dive a fighter from co-altitude but you seemed to think it would work.   

I rejoiced and moved manifold pressure and throttle to minimum position and quickly got to 520mph but was not closing but I knew I could likely catch him even while deadstick so I kept chasing. 

If you listen to my film, you can hear what I am doing to stretch fuel.    The film doesn't show throttle or prop lever movements but you can surely hear what I described but I didn't check if instruments needles show up in films.   

Then you bailed.

Next time, I will remember to drop the tank when it's empty and catch you sooner.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2025, 10:26:10 AM by icepac »

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Re: b29 dives out of range to bail and deny kills.
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2025, 11:16:43 AM »
Where's your film?   

A plane going 400mph into a zoom cliimb or even a relatively shallow climb climbs a ton faster than one climbing at 180 knots.   Had you watched your film, this would be a non-issue.

I took off in front of you by about  3/4 the diameter of the dar circle.   

I did this after someone said "B29s" and asked on country channel "who said B29s?" and oldwolf replied so I moused over planes with flashing bases and took off when you showed in the dar and I could guess your intended path. 

As I climbed, you pulled away so I leveled out just below the altitude where boost hasn't decreased to the point of slowing the plane a lot and crept up to 400mph maybe more and you made a turn that perfectly matched up with the wind at that altitude so I used it to close and get under you and did a zoom climb to level out at about 24k and then a 1000fpm descent with WEP to 22k feet since you were pulling away fast.   I was going over 400mph and closed.

I was lucky because I never got visual on your bombers simply because you were so much higher but I was going 430mph at 22k feet.    I was never a dot to your perspective until I closed and got under you...........20k or more under you and then engaged WEP. 

Since it looked like you were headed home where no dar rings were active, I climbed from 22k slightly but tried to keep my speed up by not climbing a crazy steep angle but I started that climb at 430mph.   

I purposely do zoom climbs while chasing bombers because it makes them panic and sometimes I can get a bomber pilot to try to trade altitude for speed. 

Guess what?   Diving a bomber to get away from a fighter never works...............but you didn't panic and dive but I knew you would, eventually.    Just started talking smack on 200.   

I was going climb to 28,500 to use the same winds you had at 28k but you went back to the ack strat so I stayed around 26k to work that wind to my advantage since 28k wind was not in the right direction.     

Every turn turned you made put me in the sweet spot concerning wind direction at the altitudes I was flying at.   

I used this bonus to run low manifold pressure while still closing but I was 10k below you and low on fuel.     Then I discovered I had not dropped the slipper tank.

Since you flew through working dar circles, I could relax my normal tactic of never letting the dots out of my sight and concentrate on maximizing fuel economy while maintaining around 400mph.   

When you turned directly into the wind at 28k, I zoomed up to 28.500 feet and used that headwind to get higher with WEP on but had to level off around 32k and go back to fuel savings mode as I watched the speed slowly creep back up to 400mph.   

You remarked I wasn't closing and I wasn't so I zoomed up much higher than you with wep, leveled, and descended at 1000fpm with WEP still on until I felt fast enough to level and pull manifold pressure back and go back to saving fuel.   

That's when you thought I would eventually catch you but you didn't know that I only had 11 minutes fuel left and was down to 6 minutes when I finally got within icon distance knowing I would never catch you.   

Then you dove!!!     

Bombers cannot out dive a fighter from co-altitude but you seemed to think it would work.   

I rejoiced and moved manifold pressure and throttle to minimum position and quickly got to 520mph but was not closing but I knew I could likely catch him even while deadstick so I kept chasing. 

If you listen to my film, you can hear what I am doing to stretch fuel.    The film doesn't show throttle or prop lever movements but you can surely hear what I described but I didn't check if instruments needles show up in films.   

Then you bailed.

Next time, I will remember to drop the tank when it's empty and catch you sooner.

ICEPAC... I believe you and do not think you're a hack.

This sim is about having fun for me, and there is no happy ending to this.

You have a right to not agree with me.

I have the right to bail out of my aircraft, if the conditions around me lead me to that decision. Not like I bailed out on you when we met...there was a chase. You had time to enjoy the chase.

Just told the story from my perspective, and at a time when I had no idea who was the pilot. Unfortunately, there are a few in the sim that just 'seem' to ride uber planes that defy logic at times. Whenever I feel something isn't right... I punch out. That is my choice. Right?

I've talked too much about this already. There is nothing more to say. If you want an apology...you got it. If you want to drag my name through the mud.....look around, everyone already hates me here....so no gain there.

Have a great weekend.  :salute