There is nothing wrong with how the game gets played....

[Max]

If you fly a tempest super high, a yak9u will be waiting.

If you fly a Tempest super high, you are also a luffmoink. If you blow all you advantage and run to your field or CV acks...you are a Super Luffmoink 

[hazmatt]

There is a reason I harp against too many good players flying Temps and super E planes.

This feeds on itself too. I found myself flying those same planes so I'd at least have a chance to chase something down.

[DmonSlyr]

This feeds on itself too. I found myself flying those same planes so I'd at least have a chance to chase something down.

Yes, which I mentioned. It's chasers chasing chasers chasing chasers

But that is the easy and dare I say lazy way. The skilled way is to fly earlier models and learn how to set up attacks on those planes and also how to suck them in and reverse them for an overshoot kill. This way you can fly planes that are good at turning too, rather than having to run from every plane. I'm not a huge fan of spit16s, la7s, and Niks too, because I find those to be lazier turn n burns with super cannons that end your sortie instantly, albeit a little more fun to tango with atleast than a stupid 190D. While I understand there should be planes for actual noobs to fly to get them some kind of chance. It seems many of them don't want to graduate into something that takes a little more skill and effort to be successful. It's why I do wish those top 10 eny fighters had a 3-5 perk hit.

[MDStampf93]

I would argue that the 190D is not an easy mode plane… sure it is if you’re just going to run away from everything, but to fly it effectively in a swarm of late war allied planes takes skill.

[hazmatt]

I would argue that the 190D is not an easy mode plane… sure it is if you’re just going to run away from everything, but to fly it effectively in a swarm of late war allied planes takes skill.

I agree. I've had some white knuckled fights 1vs1 with ponies on the deck while flying one.

[DmonSlyr]

Well considering the 190D is a top 5 killer every tour, I'd have to disagree. 500 cannons, one of the fastest climber, accelerator and divers in the game. Nose cannons that make it extremely deadly. Flying into a hoard by yourself is one thing, fighting on the deck in a 1v1 is very rare with a 190D and isn't what most do. It's one of worst pickers and annoyance planes. Then the floppy fish when you do get their 6...BnZ, the easiest style. Just a boring experience engaging with them. I've realized over the years that too many of these planes just dont produce that great of gameplay for others and make it a much tougher game overall.

[hazmatt]

I think it's more the pile-its the planes. Any plane that's flown as B&Z with floppy fish defence is boring to me.

Stall fighting a pony on the desk with one is exciting to me. Hanging it on the prop and watching the ponies nose come up and just as you think he's about to shoot roll and pull ever so gently to spoil his shot. Watch his nose start to drop, roll it over with the flaps out and drop for him for the kill. And then miss.... and be defenseive and hanging on the prop again lolz.

[DmonSlyr]

I think it's more the pile-its the planes. Any plane that's flown as B&Z with floppy fish defence is boring to me.

Stall fighting a pony on the desk with one is exciting to me. Hanging it on the prop and watching the ponies nose come up and just as you think he's about to shoot roll and pull ever so gently to spoil his shot. Watch his nose start to drop, roll it over with the flaps out and drop for him for the kill. And then miss.... and be defenseive and hanging on the prop again lolz.

As I've been saying, a great pilot in a great plane is far more impactful than a great pilot in a inferior plane.

While your example is a truely a fun experience. That is a rarity. 90% of the arena isn't dog fighting in P51Ds and 190Ds. I wish they were... most don't know how to, and they use the very late war planes as a crutch to avoid those tough situations they would find themselves in if they were in an older plane.

[Animl-AW]

Well considering the 190D is a top 5 killer every tour, I'd have to disagree. 500 cannons, one of the fastest climber, accelerator and divers in the game. Nose cannons that make it extremely deadly. Flying into a hoard by yourself is one thing, fighting on the deck in a 1v1 is very rare with a 190D and isn't what most do. It's one of worst pickers and annoyance planes. Then the floppy fish when you do get their 6...BnZ, the easiest style. Just a boring experience engaging with them. I've realized over the years that too many of these planes just dont produce that great of gameplay for others and make it a much tougher game overall.

Most of that can be applied to a lot of AC. I guarantee you I will TnB in a D9, it's not like the A5 with flaps out, but I'm in til I'm dead.
I think if you look at my actual score, it's not like D9 suddenly made me an ace pilot of the game, nor did the P51. The new VKB stick made me a lil better.
A P-51, this takes someone very skilled in it to do something besides BnZ. It will not make someone not tuned into it a champion.

Players running doesn't bother me, various moving parts, but some will only assume it's running from a fight. Could have damage, no ammo, running from a 3-1, actually extending, or he simply wants to land his kills.
When I "run" I am extending, as soon as you're 1500 -2k away or turn around I'm going to flip on ya, I got my E back.

It's really all POV on plane selection.

I resorted to D9 from the A5 because I got fed up with AC like Typhs, Mossies, P-47s and 109s HOing. I need nose cannons.

Wing guns are a PITA for me, always waiting for that convergence box.

It really does come down to the pilot tho, IMO

[hazmatt]

I remember I was getting frustrated by the HOs so I got a mossie and starting "winning" as Charly Sheen would say.

[DmonSlyr]

 animl, I think you should fly in my plane and record some sorties with me. Since you are good with the film, I think we could make some great films and I think you'd learn a lot, especially avoiding the HO. It would be great from a training perspective. To see how its done in non BnZ planes inferior planes. That is really what I want to promote the most because that is the jedi way. 

[Animl-AW]

animl, I think you should fly in my plane and record some sorties with me. Since you are good with the film, I think we could make some great films and I think you'd learn a lot, especially avoiding the HO. It would be great from a training perspective. To see how its done in non BnZ planes inferior planes. That is really what I want to promote the most because that is the jedi way. 

I know how to avoid HOs and use variations of immelmann turn/loop. I will get on their 6. I just spite the hell out of them, making an HOer lose has gratifications. lol I don't fly like I used to, I fly pretty loose and and not really concentrating much. Therefore a lil heavy handed on the stick, why I need canons, to make at least a few rounds count. I'm rarely online long enough to get truly warmed up like I was in the old days playing 6-12 hrs per day.
But hell, I'd fly with ya just to fly with ya....I'll wing with anyone. Every minute is a learning experience, and will be until the end. Like sound, ya never stop learning, it's eternal.

I don't have to fly with you to make films tho. You give me the film and I'll turn it into a video. Sometimes using trails is good for that kind of stuff. We can chat about it. But ya, now that I learn Vegas, and the AH FV, things go much smoother than when I started green. Much easier, better quality, better editing than my first 3-5. I'm finally comfortable with it.

[DmonSlyr]

I know how to avoid HOs and use variations of immelmann turn/loop. I will get on their 6. I just spite the hell out of them, making an HOer lose has gratifications. lol I don't fly like I used to, I fly pretty loose and and not really concentrating much. Therefore a lil heavy handed on the stick, why I need canons, to make at least a few rounds count. I'm rarely online long enough to get truly warmed up like I was in the old days playing 6-12 hrs per day.
But hell, I'd fly with ya just to fly with ya....I'll wing with anyone. Every minute is a learning experience, and will be until the end. Like sound, ya never stop learning, it's eternal.

I don't have to fly with you to make films tho. You give me the film and I'll turn it into a video. Sometimes using trails is good for that kind of stuff. We can chat about it. But ya, now that I learn Vegas, and the AH FV, things go much smoother than when I started green. Much easier, better quality, better editing than my first 3-5. I'm finally comfortable with it.

Well flying with me will show you a different perspective i can give you in real time to analyze certain engagements. Its more unique than just sending you a video. i mean joining in my cockpit watching. Which i know isn't as exciting but its about understanding my timing, awarenes, and techniques at the time. I'm not judging your score at all, but I do believe I can help you refine your acm understanding a bit. Especially in planes that you'd think wouldn't stand a chance in today's environment. 

[hazmatt]

Especially in planes that you'd think wouldn't stand a chance in today's environment.

Only if you promise to HO and not to lead turn.