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Offline haggerty

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Bomber score revamp
« on: May 14, 2025, 07:45:19 PM »
Currently some of the best bombers in the game have no shot at getting bomber score because they pork bases. 
Right now, all the "best" bombers do a single mossie run and drop a 4,000lb bomb in the center of town and then capture a base and they will finish top 10 in 2 sorties. 
Bombing structures at the base reduces a players score because they don't get the hit % that towns skyrocket.  It makes taking anything other than B24s or TU2s extremely rare because of those 2,000lb bomb loads they get.
Storch sees very little use as well since it also kills a players score, counting as a bomber sortie with no damage. 
Creating a 5th category may also be a good fix, putting all support missions into that, vehicle captures, goon captures, storch sorties, supply runs, total sorties not being detrimental to the player.
I'm not much of a bombing player, but I hate to see the better ones punished.
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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2025, 11:50:28 AM »
Currently some of the best bombers in the game have no shot at getting bomber score because they pork bases. 
Right now, all the "best" bombers do a single mossie run and drop a 4,000lb bomb in the center of town and then capture a base and they will finish top 10 in 2 sorties. 
Bombing structures at the base reduces a players score because they don't get the hit % that towns skyrocket.  It makes taking anything other than B24s or TU2s extremely rare because of those 2,000lb bomb loads they get.
Storch sees very little use as well since it also kills a players score, counting as a bomber sortie with no damage. 
Creating a 5th category may also be a good fix, putting all support missions into that, vehicle captures, goon captures, storch sorties, supply runs, total sorties not being detrimental to the player.
I'm not much of a bombing player, but I hate to see the better ones punished.

I  completely agree with you. I would take a perk mossie and bomb towns and rearm/refuel like 5 times and it always put me really high on bomber score.

I used to say I was just "delivering milk to the babies" when somebody launched to intercept. (I guess that's one way to describe a milk run)
« Last Edit: May 15, 2025, 12:44:34 PM by hazmatt »

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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2025, 12:04:17 PM »
Why should exploiting the scoring system for rank be adjusted for buffs, but not other categories?  Do you think those categories need adjusting as well?

That's what ranking is all about, exploiting the system scoring design - it's always been this way.  Those who don't care about rank, don't, those who do, typically take that path. 

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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2025, 07:46:36 PM »
I never understood the lack of points for taking down a HQ and landing all 3 lancasters.



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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 12:00:40 AM »
Why should exploiting the scoring system for rank be adjusted for buffs, but not other categories?  Do you think those categories need adjusting as well?

That's what ranking is all about, exploiting the system scoring design - it's always been this way.  Those who don't care about rank, don't, those who do, typically take that path.

The goal is to de-exploit it.  The other categories have minor issues, but not to the extent of the bombing category.
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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 12:08:33 AM »
I guess you really don't like that I view your limited skill-set of of playing for score and how you play to that for your ego as... limited.

Case in point: your whinge about bombing stats.

I noticed you said this to me on a closed topic, I think you mistake my high score for someone that is playing for score.   I just log on and fight at the the front my team needs me on, I don't do anything special for score besides doing well every sortie.  This isn't a whine about bomber score, it would be detrimental to my rank since I'm not normally a bomber, I would have to work much harder to obtain a good rank if that's what I cared about.   To consider me limited just because I'm always ranked well is odd.  You can see for yourself that I'm also normally in P40s and other odd vehicles and planes that don't fit the meta.
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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 01:42:02 AM »
Common man! With as good as you are you should fly something to make it challenging! Maybe try a storch? :bolt:

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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 08:58:22 AM »
I noticed you said this to me on a closed topic, I think you mistake my high score for someone that is playing for score.   I just log on and fight at the the front my team needs me on, I don't do anything special for score besides doing well every sortie.  This isn't a whine about bomber score, it would be detrimental to my rank since I'm not normally a bomber, I would have to work much harder to obtain a good rank if that's what I cared about.   To consider me limited just because I'm always ranked well is odd.  You can see for yourself that I'm also normally in P40s and other odd vehicles and planes that don't fit the meta.

tl;dnr - As a matter of practice, you focus on defending vs GVs and buffs for that score and rank and you think makes you better than you really are across the board into a2a realms.

Plane choice in certain environments is irrelevant.  You could be behind the horde (which you have been) or you could be fighting the horde (who's skillset in those times is different than later in the day.) 

You could be targeting buffs and gv's (and it seems you are - tour 303 (4/25): 100 of your 143 kills flying a typh (most in a fighter frame) were on gvs and buffs) which is no big but doesn't speak to other skillsets, does it?  Well, you do seem adequate at vulching.

It also seems you're currently playing later in the day (more people, more skills) than you used to, and your rides have gotten progressively hotter as a response, but your target selection hasn't.

This isn't about your exploiting scoring for ranks, tho' - it's about your lack of a2a skillset when it comes up against fighters who know what they're doing. Like Cat7 and other score potatoes, your SA allows you to escape and you play from that aspect - again no big, but nothing special compared to other score potatoes.

Tour 304, 5/25 to date:
17 of your 21 kills in a p40F have been against GV or buffs.
All 4 of your kills in a p40N are against GVs.
All 12 of your p47d11 kills were vs buffs.
14 of your 21 spit16 kills were GVs or buffs, the rest were carrier fighters - so it seems you might have been defending a base (friendly ack and bug out options.)
45 of your 77 kills in a Tempest were GV's or buffs.

But back on topic: it's easy to manipulate bomber scoring for rank by doing the few things needed (I used to do it all the time, just to get my rank up into cv-control territory.)  It's as easy for attack ranking as well if you know how to do it.   It can also be done playing organically with no milking involved.  I rarely hit strats and tend to focus on WF a front-line town, not milking a series of town centers like some players - each side has their own who do this.  Most of my kills are plane vs plane in attack mode because I'm not that motivated to go after GVs - if I do, it's usually in an F6F defending. 

You can defend your ranking as "skill", but not to the broad extent you're trying to claim.  :aok

<edit: also on topic - Who might these bombers who are going unrecognized because... scoring... even be? And why aren't they seemingly concerned about this? Are they aware of the simple few things needed for rank if that was their objective?>











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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 09:30:41 AM »
Shane is bad for the sim.

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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 09:33:09 AM »
Shane is bad for the sim.

Yeah, I guess. I mean I got you back to playing and you're barely useful to your side. I need to up my recruitment game, apparently.   :aok

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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 09:41:30 AM »
tl;dnr - As a matter of practice, you focus on defending vs GVs and buffs for that score and rank and you think makes you better than you really are across the board into a2a realms.

Well, you do seem adequate at vulching.

It also seems you're currently playing later in the day (more people, more skills) than you used to, and your rides have gotten progressively hotter as a response, but your target selection hasn't.

it's about your lack of a2a skillset when it comes up against fighters who know what they're doing.

This is exactly the kind of thing that makes people have second thoughts about playing again. Who would feel the need to spend the time to put somebody under a microscope and make comments like this?

I hate to break it to you but most people play the game to have fun and don't care who flies what and how many kills they get in what plane against what target. This kind of obsession reminds me of another guy that got banned not to long ago. The one who supposedly had spreadsheets of his kills vs other players. It doesn't sound like a healthy mental state to me. It's a game...

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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 11:27:20 AM »
This is exactly the kind of thing that makes people have second thoughts about playing again. Who would feel the need to spend the time to put somebody under a microscope and make comments like this?

I hate to break it to you but most people play the game to have fun and don't care who flies what and how many kills they get in what plane against what target. This kind of obsession reminds me of another guy that got banned not to long ago. The one who supposedly had spreadsheets of his kills vs other players. It doesn't sound like a healthy mental state to me. It's a game...

tl;dnr - observations backed up with data to counter claims being made. If he didn't say, "I'm not much of a bombing player, but I hate to see the better ones punished." I'd not be here in this way.

Because... " To consider me limited just because I'm always ranked well is odd.  You can see for yourself that I'm also normally in P40s and other odd vehicles and planes that don't fit the meta" is nothing but an attempt to humble brag.

As inferred (by many, not just me), ranking has very little to do with overall skills and is easy enough for anyone to manipulate via scoring if they wanted. I rarely fly fighter score; of the top 20 fighters ranked in tour 303, only 3-4 do I see as being a personal challenge, yet none are unbeatable or dominating.  Even YKW didn't phase me and I owned him straight up several times in MA - he is an excellent picker and e-manager, tho'.

I know you can't answer this, "Who might these bombers who are going unrecognized because... scoring... even be? And why aren't they seemingly concerned about this? Are they aware of the simple few things needed for rank if that was their objective?"  because you're not playing, but it's entirely relevant to the subject matter.

No one is claiming haggerty doesn't help his side.  I'm refuting that his "odd planes" comment can be properly put into perspective, which I did.

<edit: I'm nothing like YKW and you trying to paint me with that brush is laughable.  You're taking every avenue to decry re-subbing.  How about just going away and licking some other game's window? I, or several of us, shut down your attempt to troll animl not too long ago. :aok >







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Re: Bomber score revamp
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 12:04:56 PM »
tl;dnr - observations backed up with data to counter claims being made. If he didn't say, "I'm not much of a bombing player, but I hate to see the better ones punished." I'd not be here in this way.

Because... " To consider me limited just because I'm always ranked well is odd.  You can see for yourself that I'm also normally in P40s and other odd vehicles and planes that don't fit the meta" is nothing but an attempt to humble brag.

As inferred (by many, not just me), ranking has very little to do with overall skills and is easy enough for anyone to manipulate via scoring if they wanted. I rarely fly fighter score; of the top 20 fighters ranked in tour 303, only 3-4 do I see as being a personal challenge, yet none are unbeatable or dominating.  Even YKW didn't phase me and I owned him straight up several times in MA - he is an excellent picker and e-manager, tho'.

I know you can't answer this, "Who might these bombers who are going unrecognized because... scoring... even be? And why aren't they seemingly concerned about this? Are they aware of the simple few things needed for rank if that was their objective?"  because you're not playing, but it's entirely relevant to the subject matter.

No one is claiming haggerty doesn't help his side.  I'm refuting that his "odd planes" comment can be properly put into perspective, which I did.

<edit: I'm nothing like YKW and you trying to paint me with that brush is laughable.  You're taking every avenue to decry re-subbing.  How about just going away and licking some other game's window? I, or several of us, shut down your attempt to troll animl not too long ago. :aok >


You really are delusional...

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« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 12:07:16 PM »

You really are delusional...

Not even. Very grounded in reality which is why I see you for what you are - a disgruntled window-licker.
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« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 12:32:29 PM »
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« Last Edit: Yesterday at 01:19:16 PM by Shane »
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