Mixing board

[hazmatt]

I don't know anything about this stuff but my kids have a karaoke machine and my son recently got an electric guitar. I'm curious if I could use something like this to tie it all together?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0D1VG1VF2/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_3?smid=A2J1MH3MCX4IJH&psc=1

[Shuffler]

Just reading the info I see this...

NOTE: You need to connect the front-end equipment, such as microphones, mixers, guitars, etc., and then connet the back-end equipment such as amplifiers and speakers to avoid noise or damage to the machine.

So evidently it will. How it sounds is another story at that price point.

Other parts seem to point that it is more for playing music off of different hardware. It even says to connect mixers and such first.

I'm no help.... lol

[hazmatt]

Just reading the info I see this...

NOTE: You need to connect the front-end equipment, such as microphones, mixers, guitars, etc., and then connet the back-end equipment such as amplifiers and speakers to avoid noise or damage to the machine.

So evidently it will. How it sounds is another story at that price point.

Cool. I figured it would work from what I read. It can't sound any worse then their karaoke machine!

[Animl-AW]

I don't know anything about this stuff but my kids have a karaoke machine and my son recently got an electric guitar. I'm curious if I could use something like this to tie it all together?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0D1VG1VF2/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_3?smid=A2J1MH3MCX4IJH&psc=1

Absolutely.

Just use shielded cables for signal input to the mixer, not a guitar cord or speaker wire. You probably want a balanced connector too  (same as a stereo cable), it will have 3 rings instead of 2 on the 1/4" input.
Balanced and shielded cable/connector will eliminate noise. The shield will guard against RF leakages, a balanced cable will deal with interfacing grounding issues (common ground). You don't HAVE to do it this way, you may get lucky and standard unbalanced 1/4' ,may work, but if you have noise issues that is why, or signal is not the right ohms.

IF, you get a buzz from an input you may need an isolation transformer, but those are usually made for XLR/Mic cables connectors. a good isolation transformer will convert the signal to 600 ohms.

Basically your idea should be plug and play tho.

Don't use a speaker output into a mixer, it will overload it instantly, and may blow a capacitor in the mixer. If the machine distorts and goes into clip speaker signal WILL turn into DC voltage and cook the input. Headphones outputs usually work into a mixer with the right connector adapter.

Get it running, we'll solve any problems doing it.

[hazmatt]

Thanks for all the detailed info. Maybe I'm retarded. I searched for 1/4 shielded cable and balanced 1/4 cable on Amazon and didn't see any with 3 rings. If it wouldn't be too much trouble could you please give me a link example of these?

I was hoping to use a Bluetooth device or a 3.5 to RCA on the inputs so I could use my phone as a source and then run the output to my Silver Seven 700s that I picked up at a garage sale. I've been checking the garage sales for some Infinity IRS Vs to go with them but I haven't had any luck yet. I know I know, who would want to buy some 80ies speakers, I've just wanted a pair since I was a kid.

[-gg-]

I don't know anything about this stuff but my kids have a karaoke machine and my son recently got an electric guitar. I'm curious if I could use something like this to tie it all together?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0D1VG1VF2/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_3?smid=A2J1MH3MCX4IJH&psc=1

yes!

Does your son have an amp for the guitar, or do you want to run the guitar right into this mixer?

[Animl-AW]

Thanks for all the detailed info. Maybe I'm retarded. I searched for 1/4 shielded cable and balanced 1/4 cable on Amazon and didn't see any with 3 rings. If it wouldn't be too much trouble could you please give me a link example of these?

I was hoping to use a Bluetooth device or a 3.5 to RCA on the inputs so I could use my phone as a source and then run the output to my Silver Seven 700s that I picked up at a garage sale. I've been checking the garage sales for some Infinity IRS Vs to go with them but I haven't had any luck yet. I know I know, who would want to buy some 80ies speakers, I've just wanted a pair since I was a kid.

The balanced cable is shielded, my bad. Your devices may not require balanced, but balanced is universal, will work in either. Ya might as well use that type.

When I say 3 rings, not the black ones. The chrome metal. It's referred to as TRS or Tip Ring Sleeve.

https://tinyurl.com/8u3wj6wc

Balanced 1/4” (3 conductors) is better than RCA usually unbalanced (2 conductors)
XLR(channel 1&2) (balanced cable and shielded) is better than 1/4”, but not much XLR locks in, 1/4” does not.

Channel 3&4 looks to be a stereo input single channel.
You have the option of 1/4” or RCA.

If you have a Bluetooth receiver plug that output into 3 & 4, adjust input level, you’re golden.

Those speakers probably sound better and more meat than most I’ve seen under 1k ea.
I’m s Bose or JBL for home. Prefer wood cabinets. Personally I could build my own that would crack walls. I built sound systems from scratch in the 80s.

I remember those.

[hazmatt]

yes!

Does your son have an amp for the guitar, or do you want to run the guitar right into this mixer?

He has the little toy amp that came with the beginners kit so I was thinking this might be an improvement.

[hazmatt]

The balanced cable is shielded, my bad. Your devices may not require balanced, but balanced is universal, will work in either. Ya might as well use that type.

When I say 3 rings, not the black ones. The chrome metal. It's referred to as TRS or Tip Ring Sleeve.

https://tinyurl.com/8u3wj6wc

Balanced 1/4” (3 conductors) is better than RCA usually unbalanced (2 conductors)
XLR(channel 1&2) (balanced cable and shielded) is better than 1/4”, but not much XLR locks in, 1/4” does not.

Channel 3&4 looks to be a stereo input single channel.
You have the option of 1/4” or RCA.

If you have a Bluetooth receiver plug that output into 3 & 4, adjust input level, you’re golden.

Those speakers probably sound better and more meat than most I’ve seen under 1k ea.
I’m s Bose or JBL for home. Prefer wood cabinets. Personally I could build my own that would crack walls. I built sound systems from scratch in the 80s.

I remember those.

Thanks a bunch for explaining. It makes more sense now.

I found some photos of a pair of IRS Vs.
From what I've read you can get them for about 30% of the original $80,000 they cost back in the 80ies. I'm still checking the yard sales!

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/infinity-irs-v-wowzer.1180211/

[Animl-AW]

Thanks a bunch for explaining. It makes more sense now.

I found some photos of a pair of IRS Vs.
From what I've read you can get them for about 30% of the original $80,000 they cost back in the 80ies. I'm still checking the yard sales!

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/infinity-irs-v-wowzer.1180211/

Most of that money is spent on cosmetics. Sure are pretty tho..

Physics, Its actually an easy concept, its a true line-array system. Usually all same size full range speakers in a straight line. Anytime you put 2 of the same speaker with same signals next to each other, between each speaker you gain 3-6db of volume the amp is not producing itself. Keep in mind 3db is the doubling of volume.

8 speakers in a row, wired in series-parallel, you will gain up to 36db of volume the amp is not working to produce, physics.

If you get to liking having a mixer at home, and wwnt more inout channels look at Mackie small mixers.

Driveling off the map,…Todays concerts when you look up at the speakers, same thing. Most call them line-arrays, but they are really variable-arrays because we can bend the stack like a banana.

EAW makes a true line-array, we used for Tom Petty. These are top shelf of top shelf. Using computerized digital phasing we can actually steer the sound around the room without pointing the speakers that direction. Insanely expensive at $28k per cabinet , insanely heavy as hell, we usually used 10-12 speakers per array, 6-8 arrays. Pretty crazy to hear the sound move around the room. Add stereo mixing and you kinda end up with 3D sound image.If they were around during Pink Floyd it would have been epic.

All sound is 100% physics. These are the calculations we are doing.

Lighting and video projectors kinda work the same way. Before video walls using a screen we use two projectors, both images layered on top of each other on a screen, its twice as brilliant.

The biggest screen I did was 400’ wide, using 16 high-end projectors and video mapping to make a 400’ wide video look like a 4k TV. If you use IMAX cams its stunning.

[icepac]

Say no to hanging screens all about in a willy nilly fashion. 

[hazmatt]

I'll check out the Mackie mixers.

Ya. I fell in love with those speakers that are now old when I was a kid. The 80k the cost back then might as well have been 800k with the amount of money I had.

I'm not a big fan of concerts and traffic and everything that goes with them but I would like to see Rammstein as I've heard their pyrotechnics are awesome.

[Animl-AW]

Say no to hanging screens all about in a willy nilly fashion. 

Ya I agree

I worked with Rammstein, crazy as hell being in stage with those crazy butts with all that pyro going on. Their outdoor shows are just nuts with pyro.

But ya I get the anti-crowd stuff

[Tumor]

I don't know anything about this stuff but my kids have a karaoke machine and my son recently got an electric guitar. I'm curious if I could use something like this to tie it all together?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0D1VG1VF2/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_3?smid=A2J1MH3MCX4IJH&psc=1

At that price... I'd hesitate pretty hard.  Maybe just get him a good mini under $100... some WAY under.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExMfSmtonQo

[hazmatt]

Tumor! Where have you been my friend. Good to see you!

My kid already has a mini amp that came with his electric guitar. My goal was to tie the karaoke machine the guitar and all into one device and to use something that I wouldn't be upset with if the kids destroyed it!