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Offline Dadtallica

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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #60 on: May 30, 2025, 01:47:48 PM »
I can see how $15 would be a huge outlay for you.  Have you considered a p/t job?

Well this just proves you’re ridiculous. Who are you to decide what value $15 is to someone other than you?
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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #61 on: May 30, 2025, 01:56:36 PM »
Be careful what you wish for. We were all very excited about EA buying up "Air Warriors" back in the day. New money coming in, talk of new graphics with a big company behind it. I dont think the ink was dry after they bought it and word came down they were closing down the game.

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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #62 on: May 30, 2025, 02:18:19 PM »
Well this just proves you’re ridiculous. Who are you to decide what value $15 is to someone other than you?

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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #63 on: May 30, 2025, 02:46:51 PM »
Be careful what you wish for. We were all very excited about EA buying up "Air Warriors" back in the day. New money coming in, talk of new graphics with a big company behind it. I dont think the ink was dry after they bought it and word came down they were closing down the game.

Do you remember how many people were playing AWME at EA when it was free?

I jumped in several times and never saw more than a dozen people playing and not a single one was some one I knew. I think Air Warrior being in decline based on old 1987 spaghetti code was a contributing factor not just EA being EAvil (But Ya EA was still being EAvil).

But Ya ... Letting AH go to some one like EA would be a very bad thing for us. Again I pray HT would give us a heads up and chance to intervene if that ever comes close to happening.
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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #64 on: May 30, 2025, 03:08:31 PM »
Do you remember how many people were playing AWME at EA when it was free?

I jumped in several times and never saw more than a dozen people playing and not a single one was some one I knew. I think Air Warrior being in decline based on old 1987 spaghetti code was a contributing factor not just EA being EAvil (But Ya EA was still being EAvil).

But Ya ... Letting AH go to some one like EA would be a very bad thing for us. Again I pray HT would give us a heads up and chance to intervene if that ever comes close to happening.

Agreed
AW needed a complete overhaul to get into a new engine.  This is not the same extreme. EA became the villain because they promised, mostly to us staff, that they would put it on track. They bought an audience. They lost because that audience wasn’t there for there other games, which was part of the intent. Everyone lost, except Kelton.

AH still has a window if chance porting to UR engine.

The way some here picture the game I’m not so sure it would be better.

This free stuff is absurd, at best. Who gets paid for server maintenance, connection fees ? These are thoughts from people who think it’s all free it should be free so they afford the others.. Its absurd, hands down. Oh at about those updates, anyone who thinks thise are free is not thinking at all.

AW being free changed ZERO. They just want to afford multi games, which are more expensive and therefore AH should be free. $15 is too expensive is far beyond ridiculous. You can’t afford .50 cents per day, but can afford 100s in other games. Nonsense. Every one who wants it free play multi games, thats their fault.

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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #65 on: May 30, 2025, 03:18:13 PM »
Be careful what you wish for. We were all very excited about EA buying up "Air Warriors" back in the day. New money coming in, talk of new graphics with a big company behind it. I dont think the ink was dry after they bought it and word came down they were closing down the game.

I remember this! I was so disappointed when Air Warriors was shut down.
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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #66 on: May 30, 2025, 03:45:26 PM »
EA's Original EAvil Plan for Air Warrior was to develop it into Air Warrior:Vietnam

They sprung it on us Kesmai/Gamestorm staff at a lunch at the Red Robin in South San Fransisco on day 2 of Awcon 98.

Not many people where happy with the idea of Air Warrior leaving the WWII Genre of Combat flight sims. EA wanted something that could be a MMO Falcon 4/Air Warrior hybrid.

What EA did with Air warrior was take Air Warrior III integrate the Krait's skin changer and call it Air Warrior Millennial Eddition and made it Free to play ... even that couldn't stop people from leaving for Warbirds WWII Online and Aces High specially when it dropped from $30 to $15 per month.
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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #67 on: May 30, 2025, 05:42:55 PM »
I remember those details now. You were closer to the center than myself. Everything we wanted to preserve would be gutted. It wouldn’t even resemble AW. IMO, AH was the upgrade we wanted. But stars did align against us.

I think my point could be, we seen all of this before. Its more educated guessing.

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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #68 on: May 30, 2025, 05:55:27 PM »
Not many people where happy with the idea of Air Warrior leaving the WWII Genre of Combat flight sims.

Which I would expect.

I will be interested to see how the IL2 crowd handles most of the dev bandwidth leaving WWII and moving on to Korea and Beyond. 

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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #69 on: May 30, 2025, 06:52:47 PM »
Korea has always been a losing concept.

As much as I liked the F-86 in AW, that was generally a vacant arena. I've yet to see a Korea idea takeoff. Yet everyone thinks they will be the ones that pull it off. Like goldfish in a fish bowl, ya they couldn't get through the last 300 times they tried, there's a reason for that. There are very little Korea enthusiast.

There are still enough WWII enthusiast to stuff the game that does it right.

Kinda like SUVs, "every one is buying them now" (flying jets). Well ya, because that's all you offer. Buick doesn't even make sedans anymore, using the same excuse, where's the choice. 6-7 planes sure isn't it.


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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #70 on: May 30, 2025, 07:23:37 PM »
Well...maybe...hopefully....D ale has been working on a new game...that uses new/more modern graphics engine. And just before its ready to go online...he sells Aces High.
I have not seen another game that does WW2 as well as AH3 does it. I'm not saying that there aren't any issues in Aces High...just none good enough or bad enough for me to switch.

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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #71 on: May 30, 2025, 09:40:03 PM »
If Hitech ever goes to sell the game IP to some one say like EA I pray to God he gives us a heads up and maybe a chance to offer some sort of counter offer to keep AH3 Going.

Hitech went a similar route many years ago. It didn't go well at all.  I doubt Hitech would even consider such a proposition today at all.

Suggesting that someone else would do a better job is grossly insulting.
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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #72 on: May 30, 2025, 10:16:00 PM »
Suggesting that someone else would do a better job is grossly insulting.

Insulting to who? You? Hitech?

and I wasn't suggesting some one else can do it better, Just as long as they can keep it alive and going if Hitech decides enough is enough.

Somethings you may want to consider ...

The game is in decline ... without a new game engine or at least a major overhaul AH3 numbers will continue to decline.

At some point AH3 will become unprofitable.

At some point Hitech is going to retire and want to spend more time with the kids/grand kids.

And inevitably just like the rest of us he is going to fly west someday (Hopefully far far in the future).

I don't think any one is concerned with making it better ... I will happy if it just continues to exist. If some one like EAvil gets a hold of the IP it will probably sit in a filing cabinet right next to Air Warrior for all eternity and no one wants that.

The best things about Aces High, unlike DCS and IL2, is its a TRUE MASS MULTI-PLAYER Combat flight sim and it has one hell of a tight community that you can't find anywhere else not even in DCS nor IL2. It is also for all intents and purposes the spiritual successor to Air Warrior and the Old Air Warrior community that goes all the back to 1987.

I would like to see it survive for as long as possible even if it's running on a Threadripper in some ones closet.

(I wonder how much EAvil would sell the Air Warrior Name/IP for?)
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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #73 on: May 30, 2025, 11:19:02 PM »
Hitech went a similar route many years ago. It didn't go well at all.  I doubt Hitech would even consider such a proposition today at all.

Suggesting that someone else would do a better job is grossly insulting.

I don’t think at all that anyone thinks someone can do better. HT is a top shelf coder.
However, the lack of movement gives an expected illusion that the only way to get movement and save this history is someone buy it. An army has offered to help, we just get crickets, so ya can’t really blame em for that perspective.

If he and the concept or game play wasn’t good we wouldn’t be here. Its good enough that many have a white knuckle death grip on it,…for 25 yrs.

Frankly, I think HT may have problems giving it up.

My take on the genre situation,…these other games used graphics to carry them, game play is O K. Since outdated, AH gameplay and selection has carried it, not so much graphics.

IF you put the same or even better (because those game’s graphics are aging too) modern graphics, you have both worlds, at the right time. Combat Pilot is not in the window yet.

Just upping the poly count, new effects, would go a long way, and could afford the throttle to go full tilt.

Its been stagnate out there as far as New goes. The above could beat Combat Pilot to the race. And pass them while they kick start. IMO, the next year is a good window to justify the effort.

Of course my crystal ball is cracked

All that said, as stated, we watched the AW ship pass by. No bug or setting matters when that happens. You’ll wish you had all of them.

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Re: Crowd sourcing the funds to buy the game as an investment
« Reply #74 on: Yesterday at 04:27:11 AM »
No!

Imagine if this nut crowd got control of the game.

Just...NO!!!

HT is the only thing holding it together for us to enjoy.

Whiners would make it crash and burn.
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