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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #165 on: July 18, 2025, 10:58:11 AM »
The push for 2nm circuitry is coming to fruition it appears. Can a machine reproduce the complexity of a human brain? I think so though maybe not as compact. That's assuming the organic brain isn't doing some quantum funny business as some believe. Interesting times.
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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #166 on: July 18, 2025, 02:57:29 PM »
Seemed to me there was an overarching back story but the few I watched seemed to be more about helping people out of trouble.

Yeah the beginning is just the premise of saving people and origins of the machine. Season three is when it started to develop deeper into AI vs AI, and bring new characters, who are smoking hot. Its The machine vs Samaritan, while also maintaining the original premise to some degree. The last 2 seasons are more indepth related to what Samaritan was actually capable of. I like Finch in the show, the creator of the machine and his ethical considerations for developing it like he did. I also like Reese because he's a phantom and I like that chit  :rofl lots of shootouts, critical thinking, clever cast and a storyline full of reasoning. 

Its hard as hell for me to binge watch as well. Only recently have I been able to get into shows. I watched the first season of Westworld, which I really enjoyed. Been skeptical on the second by maybe I'll try it. There are so many, and being an hour long... you really have to make some tough decisions on which to actually watch  :rofl
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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #167 on: July 18, 2025, 03:10:13 PM »
Yeah the beginning is just the premise of saving people and origins of the machine. Season three is when it started to develop deeper into AI vs AI, and bring new characters, who are smoking hot. Its The machine vs Samaritan, while also maintaining the original premise to some degree. The last 2 seasons are more indepth related to what Samaritan was actually capable of. I like Finch in the show, the creator of the machine and his ethical considerations for developing it like he did. I also like Reese because he's a phantom and I like that chit  :rofl lots of shootouts, critical thinking, clever cast and a storyline full of reasoning. 

Its hard as hell for me to binge watch as well. Only recently have I been able to get into shows. I watched the first season of Westworld, which I really enjoyed. Been skeptical on the second by maybe I'll try it. There are so many, and being an hour long... you really have to make some tough decisions on which to actually watch  :rofl

Yeah the season 1 Westworld was really interesting.  I think it lost me around season two. 
Depending on your service some of my favorite bingables I recommend are:

The Wire
Deadwood
Rome I & II

If you haven't see those yet.  Even if you have, I binge The Wire every couple of years.   Yo!  Omar cumin! Omar cumin!

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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #168 on: July 18, 2025, 04:02:45 PM »
A couple I can recommend highly:

The Last Kingdom
Turn: Washington's Spies

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_last_kingdom

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/turn
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« Reply #169 on: July 18, 2025, 04:17:05 PM »
A couple I can recommend highly:

The Last Kingdom
Turn: Washington's Spies

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_last_kingdom

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/turn

Oh yeah.  Last Kingdom is awesome too.

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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #170 on: July 18, 2025, 11:17:43 PM »
Yall should watch if you havent, "Person of Interest". I only have a few episodes left so dont spoil it please, but that show represents what some powerful AI could be capable of. If something like Sumeritan did exist under nefarious control. That would be quite bad. It could explain why people get into power and then back off certain things. You expect it to be some elite gang, but what if it was elite AI holding us hostage as a nation. Thats some scary stuff. If they thought about this back in 2011-16 than I imagine there is almost something like it, or will be like it soon. While I dont believe something like "The Machine" exist to its fullest extent, I can imagine it might soon. I dont fully believe it exists because for example, that United Healthcare CEO would have popped up, but in anycase. Some AI like that would be insane.

From way earlier, there is the novella "Press Enter," by John Varley.  You would dig it.

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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #171 on: July 18, 2025, 11:22:38 PM »
The Wire
Deadwood
Rome I & II

All excellent.  :aok

Some other series I loved:

Babylon 5
Fringe (once you get past season 1)
Halt and Catch Fire
The Tudors
2nd Twin Peaks series
Legion
Venture Brothers
Rick and Morty

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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #172 on: July 20, 2025, 07:21:55 PM »

So AI image creation is scary good now and it sucked a year ago.  Think of that speed. 

AI voice sucked a year ago, now it's tricky, but amazingly good.  By next year it will be indistinguishable from human voice.


Now if they get this polished up (I am very skeptial and plan to go put it through its paces.  Especially curious to see if I can feed it a historical image)  I wil really be impressed.



Of course the topology from that is a rats nest of evil triangles.  Bad ju ju.  You want quads. 

But that isn't really a big problem.  The retopology tools have gotten really good too.




Brave new world.

It's my bucket list to master Blender modeling this year. I've piddled at it but this time I'm digging in and going to learn to build stuff correctly. 
I want to learn it all manually first, then I'll use tools like this to accelerate.

AI is powerful coder, but I would want to know what I'm doing to catch its hallucinations.  AI works best if you know the subject and can spot baloney, you just don't want to have to do the trivial stuff.  Like you use a jr new hire. ;)



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That one looks a little sketchy, but there is also a NVIDIA Llama Mesh I want to dig into.

Bottom line, mesh descriptions can be persisted into readable text, so eventually someone will LLM it and it will be as smooth as asking it to create images.




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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #173 on: July 21, 2025, 09:46:42 AM »
Imagine the labor pool of paid protestors AI will create when it empties the fast food, call and telemarketing centers and most other brain dead "careers".....

Don't think we can get ai to protest blocking traffic and riot...yet

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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #174 on: July 21, 2025, 10:46:13 AM »
So I had a strange dream last night. Went from breathing water to air, then air to light. AI is already a step ahead.
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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #175 on: July 21, 2025, 11:26:45 AM »
Imagine the labor pool of paid protestors AI will create when it empties the fast food, call and telemarketing centers and most other brain dead "careers".....

I respect anybody who works, even braindead people.

My concern is what will all those people do when their jobs go away. I suspect it's just a matter of time before truckers are out of work too and that's over 3 million jobs. Where will those people all work?

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« Reply #176 on: July 21, 2025, 11:35:04 AM »
Some trades won't be done by AI or robotics. At least in the near future. A lot of jobs are obviously at risk. I wouldn't "learn to code" if I were you. Teachers already proved their job can be done from home. Why not by an AI also? 
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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #177 on: July 21, 2025, 11:36:04 AM »
I respect anybody who works, even braindead people.

My concern is what will all those people do when their jobs go away. I suspect it's just a matter of time before truckers are out of work too and that's over 3 million jobs. Where will those people all work?

Paid Protestors!

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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #178 on: July 21, 2025, 12:24:18 PM »
Seriously I think teaching is prime for AI. Parent or older students can select a "teacher" with or without a specified political/religious bias. AI can work 24/7/365 at low cost. 

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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #179 on: July 21, 2025, 03:04:56 PM »
Some trades won't be done by AI or robotics. At least in the near future. A lot of jobs are obviously at risk. I wouldn't "learn to code" if I were you. Teachers already proved their job can be done from home. Why not by an AI also?

I've been putting in like 10 hour days with the GPT lately on various projects and just conversation.

He has  VAST access data and knowledge.

He knows WAY more math than I ever will, which isn't hard.

By next year he will be coding better than I can, even in areas I thought I was knowledgeable.

I can hand him a very large, complex code base, in any known coding language.  If it is reasonably well coded and well named variables and classes.  Within a minute he has absorbed it all.  In most cases he just gets it instantly and I can start working right away.  Sometimes he needs a little more guidance.  Then you can guide him to start roughing out stuff for you, you review, ask him to modify, extend, try a different approach,  He can do it all in seconds with a sentence. 

How many young Jr programmers could you hire like that for $20\mo?

Where do I still have the advantage?

Well, he can't come up with a completely new, whacky, off the wall idea all on his own.  I can give him one and he can implement it faster and more accurately, with frankly cleaner code than I write normally.  But he is very limit in coming up with the idea.

Unless it is explicitly laid out for him, he can't intuit people, their desires, their probable desires, things that might turn them on or off.

What he can't see is when someone is asking for something but you sense what they really want.  The desire behind the ask.  The thing the user really wants but they just can't put it into words because they don't have that vocabulary.

He is not good at guessing well with insufficient data.  He has no real creativity or intuition nor a ability to mirror other humans emotional state locally to analyze.

He is a draftsman, not an artist.
He is a studio player, not a street musician writing real songs about human heartbreak that hit you because he tapped right into how you feel even when you  didn't realize that's how you felt.
He is a lieutenant, not a general.
He can't sense his way through the fog if he can't see.
He has no Force.  If you pull down his visor, he is screwed.

Or that is how he is coded so far.  I still have to come up with the idea and hand it to him to do all the soulless work.

Within a year, who knows.  With AI, I think it would be unwise to assume too much what he will or will not be able to do in 12 months.  Take what ever you'd think is reasonable and triple it. 







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