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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #240 on: July 31, 2025, 12:32:05 PM »
"I can't do that, Dave."

That was a failure in requirements specification. 

They needed a better pre-processor to catch mobius loop logic traps though in the mission spec, That's a tooling issue.

The AI did the best it could with broken requirements.

I spent 30 years as a programmer facing that. ;)


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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #241 on: July 31, 2025, 12:34:16 PM »
When AI does all the work for us, what will we humans do?
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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #242 on: July 31, 2025, 12:38:46 PM »
When AI does all the work for us, what will we humans do?

I dunno.

If we eschew AI, do you think we can talk Russia and China into it as well?

If the Chinese break through before us and can advance their science research in 6 months that would take us 20 years, what would that world be like to live in?


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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #243 on: July 31, 2025, 01:03:52 PM »
When AI does all the work for us, what will we humans do?

Always in the past (but who knows in the future), implementation of automation resulted in more jobs for humans overall, like a productivity increaser instead of a replacement.  There are some humans put out of work, then other jobs for way more other humans.  Power loom and textile industry is just one example of that.

Also, humans like things that are made by humans. People will pay more for furniture made by hand by Amish people than made in a big factory.  Or pay more for art painted by a human.

Then there are jobs that AI isn't able to do until it has a body that works as well as a human body.

And LLM AI is probably not the structure that will overtake humans.  So we are supposing new architectures of it come along and work far better.

The AI field is full of things that look amazing at first.  An exponential increase in capability at first.  But then it rolls over and asymptotes out, with progress that overall looks like a sigmoid, not an unbounded exponential. And we have to wait for the next different technology to come along with a sigmoid that goes higher than the previous sigmoid.  I don't know for sure, but my guess is that LLM's will do the same.  Top out at some level that is impressive and revolutionary, but not a replacement for all humans.  And no one will know what or if the next thing will be.

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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #244 on: July 31, 2025, 01:26:16 PM »
He who controls the databases controls the world..

Looking at what they f up today, I am confident our leaders will use AI to make the world a much more beautiful and safer place....especially for themselves..

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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #245 on: August 05, 2025, 11:10:02 AM »
Always in the past (but who knows in the future), implementation of automation resulted in more jobs for humans overall, like a productivity increaser instead of a replacement.  There are some humans put out of work, then other jobs for way more other humans.  Power loom and textile industry is just one example of that.

Also, humans like things that are made by humans. People will pay more for furniture made by hand by Amish people than made in a big factory.  Or pay more for art painted by a human.

Then there are jobs that AI isn't able to do until it has a body that works as well as a human body.

And LLM AI is probably not the structure that will overtake humans.  So we are supposing new architectures of it come along and work far better.

The AI field is full of things that look amazing at first.  An exponential increase in capability at first.  But then it rolls over and asymptotes out, with progress that overall looks like a sigmoid, not an unbounded exponential. And we have to wait for the next different technology to come along with a sigmoid that goes higher than the previous sigmoid.  I don't know for sure, but my guess is that LLM's will do the same.  Top out at some level that is impressive and revolutionary, but not a replacement for all humans.  And no one will know what or if the next thing will be.


Time will tell. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/05/ex-google-exec-the-idea-that-ai-will-create-new-jobs-is-100percent-crap.html




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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #246 on: August 05, 2025, 11:45:57 AM »

A les paul player will likely prefer a human made instrument.

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« Reply #247 on: August 10, 2025, 03:49:35 PM »

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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #248 on: August 10, 2025, 10:18:21 PM »



Who is left?


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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #249 on: August 10, 2025, 10:46:21 PM »
Who is left?

Weird. I didn't see anything about my field. Data Centers.

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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #250 on: August 11, 2025, 07:16:09 AM »
Taxing companies that use AI so that $$$ can pay for the universal income to pay out to those it unemployed...

Resulting in much higher prices for most stuff as it won't affect their profits..

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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #251 on: August 11, 2025, 08:54:44 AM »
Taxing companies that use AI so that $$$ can pay for the universal income to pay out to those it unemployed...

Resulting in much higher prices for most stuff as it won't affect their profits..


Might as well tax the steam engine for putting waggoners our of business.

But this is going to be very messy.  I don't share Brookes optimism.  I think this is going to be inevitable at this point.  It's baked into the cake.  If we don't jump in with both feet our commercial and military adversaries won't hesitate.

I don't not see the jobs being replaced easily.  Mainly because of velocity.  The Industrial Revolution wasn't overnight. It actually took a decade or two.  This will take months.
There is not the time to adjust and seek other training and change careers and get government programs in place.  And there is no un-ringing the bell now.  People can whine and squeak and make snide comments, but it is happening.  Many who didn't pay attention won't be laughing soon.

This is going to be happening at a pace that outstrips the current design of our civilization.  We don't have the tools to react this fast.  This is going to be fundamentally transformative.  much more that even the Industrial Revolution or the internet or printing press.  Maybe on the level of human language itself in importance.

Datacenters?  Well someone has to server the LLM. 








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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #252 on: August 11, 2025, 09:05:38 AM »
The dead weight employed now will be the 1st to go and there is a ton of that alone...

Then the actually skilled will be replaced..

Good times ahead

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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #253 on: August 11, 2025, 09:26:46 AM »
The dead weight employed now will be the 1st to go and there is a tin of that alone...

Then the actually skilled will be replaced..

Good times ahead

Eagler

On the other hand, for those that master it, you are being  given incredible power at your disposal.  It's like you have been given bronze armor and sword and everyone else is still running around flimsy copper.

Things are very very early still, but that will last a blink of an eye.  Even still you can glimpse the future.

Watch as she builds an app without coding or very little.  Right now you might occasionally need an engineer to step in.  But soon any domain expert will just be able to fire up their laptop and have their agent generate some really impressive app on the fly to try out an idea they had.  Prototype done faster than they can type the description.  A couple of junior coders would have take 2-3 weeks to knock out a prototype.



Every org will still need some engineers for awhile. But maybe  two, instead of 20 and they better be able to do everything.   They will be doing more cable running than programming so they better not be too proud.

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Re: An intersting discussion on AI augmented programming
« Reply #254 on: August 11, 2025, 09:36:46 AM »
Give AI a physical presence with the physical capabilities of humans and every job is at risk. It is happening.
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