Bring Back Early War and Mid War Arenas

[hazmatt]

Poor you.

This was not even close to necessary. We get it, you left and no bar is low enough to get you back.

Nobody cares.

Lol. Looks like I have a 3rd to add to my ignore list Not sure why you're so bitter.

Not poor me. I'm doing quite well actually. I'm just merely one who is stating what many others who have left feel.

People and attitudes like that are why many who were on the fence don't come back. 

[Animl-AW]

Goal pist just moved, again.

Happens in every game ever made, its a game.

[Meatwad]

I spent a lot of time in midwar arena when it was around. It was a lot of fun

[DmonSlyr]

We don't need a mid or early war arena necessarily. It should just cost more perks to fly later war planes. The spit16, K4, yak3, 1A, f6f, la7, 190D, ect should cost a couple of perks to fly. It would balance things out a bit. The tanks have it, so I dont know why planes dont. I think its more about balance than having more arenas.

[Oldman731]

We don't need a mid or early war arena necessarily. It should just cost more perks to fly later war planes. The spit16, K4, yak3, 1A, f6f, la7, 190D, ect should cost a couple of perks to fly. It would balance things out a bit. The tanks have it, so I dont know why planes dont. I think its more about balance than having more arenas.

I agree with all this except:  Hellcat?  Hellcat?  Why in the world would you perk that?

But good for you not asking to perk 51s or most of the Spits.

- oldman

[DmonSlyr]

I agree with all this except:  Hellcat?  Hellcat?  Why in the world would you perk that?

But good for you not asking to perk 51s or most of the Spits.

- oldman

I cant believe it either, but the Hellcat is a top 5 killer every month in the MA. The stats dont lie  in some degree, I dont believe planes with 50 cals should be perked. Yet late war American planes have such good advantages if flown right that can really dominate. I'd add the P47M and P47N to the list as well. They also carry lots of ord which is very beneficial, say compared to an La7 and Nik. However fighter effectiveness needs to be considered.

[CAV]

With the number of players we have each night I think the best solution would be.........

(I know as soon as I post this, All the late War furballer types will be here saying they're going to cancel their subscription if they can't fly their planes, But here it is...... )

Rolling plane set for each map, Map gets won. The next map starts out early War, After a certain amount of time it rotates into mid-war and on to late War.

CAV

[The Fugitive]

It seems pretty much everything is a "Wishlist thread" these days.

I for one have figured out that nothing is going to change and have stopped with any suggestions that would result in fit by the two people I have on ignore lolz.

Most of the "wish list" thing that are posted, are those that are REposted. So many reposted ideas. I have been following these boards for years and my memory while not perfect, recalls almost everyone. I dont know why there havent been canges made through the years, but Ill bet Hitech could give you an answer for why every wish list item wasnt such a good idea. Most people dont bother to look at the "other" consiquences of a change to the game. Hitech seems to look a bit deeper. It may have something to do with the game being his livelihood 

As for nothing changing...... why does it have to? While I dont think the game is as good as it was years ago, I think we only need to double its numbers for it to be close. The game is exceptional with more depth than any of those other games (DCS, IL2, or WarThunder). The only changes Id like to see are the ones I "hope" would bring in more players.  Lusche posted on the discord that we are down 10% as compared with last year at this time. A pretty sad number. We need more players. 

True, I'm actually to the point where I'm not sure I'd be back if the whole thing was free with what I read about the pickn Tempests, the sharpshooter 88's, the magical tankers, the AWACS radar, and the couple people who are very vocal about disagreeing with any suggestions that are not their own and attacking anybody that doesn't see it their way.

I do still hold out hope that something will change but it's about the same level of hope that I have for winning the lottery

That said, I really did have fun in the early and midwar arenas back in the day. I seem to recall there was always people in midwar but not so many in early war which I think would have been fun if there were higher numbers.

Yes we have "pickn Tempests, the sharpshooter 88's, the magical tankers, the AWACS radar,", but you can still dodge the tempest, and fly erratically enough to counter the 88s and if you work at it take care of these tankers if you want to be bothered. Tanking is an art just like dogfighting and once you learn the right moves nothing is special about these guys in tanks. They are just very well practiced, much like some guys who never seem to miss in a fighter.

The AWACS radar is a pain, but it just allows the cowards to run away when they want to. Those that want to fight and capture territory STILL are doing so. Again there is nothing really wrong with the game other than lower numbers. Nights work out great on most nights. If numbers doubled I could get in some daytime flying and have some fun then too.

The game doesnt NEED wishes fulfilled, it just needs more players.

With the number of players we have each night I think the best solution would be.........

(I know as soon as I post this, All the late War furballer types will be here saying they're going to cancel their subscription if they can't fly their planes, But here it is...... )

Rolling plane set for each map, Map gets won. The next map starts out early War, After a certain amount of time it rotates into mid-war and on to late War.

CAV

Another suggestion that has been mentioned many times, and has never been implemented, why? Mostly it would chase more players away than it would bring them in.

Would it "switch up" game play? Maybe, but for only the few that would play it, most would walk away, like has happened in other games that tried it. Forcing players out of a ride isnt a way to keep/attrack players.

[hazmatt]

Rolling plane set for each map, Map gets won. The next map starts out early War, After a certain amount of time it rotates into mid-war and on to late War.

CAV

That's  an interesting idea. Or maybe smaller maps for earlier war planes, medium for midwar and bigger ones for latewar?

[hazmatt]

The game doesnt NEED wishes fulfilled, it just needs more players.

Lots of good points there. As you said, solutions for this have been discussed many times as wishes. FTP plane set, smaller maps, (to concentrate the remaining players) etc . I guess the frustration I see is that the current course is obvious and if nothing changes it will continue on the same course. The danger like you said is doing something to get new player that would run the remaining player away.

[Eagler]

The early and mid war planes are there..all you have to do are fly them..screw what the others who can't get out of their late war birds are doing..

If enough of you do this we can create the change we want without any code change from HT needed..

I have traded my k4 for the f4 and g2 last month..

This month I am adding the 109e..

Put your money where your mouth is 

Eagler

[Shuffler]

The early and mid war planes are there..all you have to do are fly them..screw what the others who can't get out of their late war birds are doing..

If enough of you do this we can create the change we want without any code change from HT needed..

I have traded my k4 for the f4 and g2 last month..

This month I am adding the 109e..

Put your money where your mouth is 

Eagler

Midwar was the best arena. I understand why it is gone. Just not enough people. Forcing what is left into one arena at least makes it look like there is some life left. At least for awhile.

[DmonSlyr]

Midwar was the best arena. I understand why it is gone. Just not enough people. Forcing what is left into one arena at least makes it look like there is some life left. At least for awhile.

Mid war planes provide the best battles for sure, IMO. There were a few flaws with mid and early war arena. They were the same arena. It was a furball island arena. They never rotated to other maps that I can recall. Base distances was slightly too far for both arenas and the map was just too big. These factors limited its popularity. Had they been on the Smog 8 arena. I believe they would have encouraged far more players. For newbies, the distance to fly to a field twirling your thumbs until you see some red, made it very tough for people to stick around. Thats another reason why so many fly in 190Ds and temps, so they can go faster and get to the fight faster, and then run away once losing atl advantage. Its why I started off in the 190D when I first started, then over the years began to realize why it was so dominate in kills and K/D and have since labeled it a crutch plane . But I feel flight distance to a field, only to get blown away by ack or something, is why many didn't stick around in those arenas. The furball island didn't help promote battles either.

[Dadtallica]

Lol. Looks like I have a 3rd to add to my ignore list Not sure why you're so bitter.

Not poor me. I'm doing quite well actually. I'm just merely one who is stating what many others who have left feel.

People and attitudes like that are why many who were on the fence don't come back.

Knock it off you’re a skipping record.

I’m one of the few people in here that doesn’t trash the game. I could care less what dar dots
Look like or who can’t see what GV under a tree or blah blah blah. It’s a 25 year old game play it or don’t.

I’m not detracting anyone from anything. Unless it’s whiny perma-victims like you seem to be.

Come back, don’t come back, nobody still cares you can stop telling us about it. you obviously made up your mind a long time ago go find something else to bother.

[hazmatt]

This month I am adding the 109e..

This sounds like it will be fun. I tried it a couple times in MA but found it was so slow that with all the rocket planes around that I pretty much could only get a quick shot using a lead turn on most as they flashed by.

It would be interesting to hear how it goes.