Declaration of war on drug lords..

[DmonSlyr]

The worst physically addictive drugs in America are tobacco, alcohol and table sugar.

In 2022 numbers fentanyl killed  73,654 in the US.
Combined alcohol + tobacco + sugar-linked deaths: ~683,000 per year.




I think we need a War on the Standard American Diet.

I agree with that to some degree, insert RFK Jr (god forbid) someone regulates "big food" now. Irony that dems dont want that... but you are referring to slow deaths, and those people arent trashing cities with piles of garbage like heroin and meth users, and people aren't instantly dying like Fentnyl. There is a difference there to some degree.

Every day on my way to work down Marine Drive in portland I saw 40 RVs line the streets just trashing it. Thought I lived in India or something. Im PTSD to trash on the road now. And the leadership there was so worthless they didnt even know how to clean it up. They had to move WPGA tour because it was so nasty.

If you cant even run a small city, over tax it, over drug it, never clean it up, have largest car theft ring in country, and then want to talk to me about environmentalism and that your side knows how to lead better, I jist simply have to call them a nutcase and move on. Unfortunately these "victims" are fine living in their own filth, and think you should be forced to live that way too.

[CptTrips]

Need I remind all of the horrible dangers of table sugar?



Tragedies like this need not happen.

Alcohol, tobacco, and sugar should be outlawed today.  Think about the kids.

[AKIron]

So use in moderation of all substances should be legal for adults?

Or should all toxic substances be made illegal in a logical and consistent manner for our own good?

My personal view is that all should have the freedom to do what they want so long as there is no negative impact on society. When I have to pay for your food or upkeep because of your bad choices then you are infringing on my freedom.

[RUSH1]

So use in moderation of all substances should be legal for adults?

Or should all toxic substances be made illegal in a logical and consistent manner for our own good?

I believe some states/cities have tried using your logic and it has failed miserably.  At some point, common sense, in this case government intervention, might be necessary.     

[CptTrips]

I believe some states/cities have tried using your logic and it has failed miserably.  At some point, common sense, in this case government intervention, might be necessary.     

I agree.

And tobacco, alcohol and sugar should be added to the controlled substances list immediately given the proven and MASSIVE death rates shown.  There is no non-hypocritical alternative.

Think about the kids.

[Meatwad]

Massive death rates from sugar?

[CptTrips]

My personal view is that all should have the freedom to do what they want so long as there is no negative impact on society. When I have to pay for your food or upkeep because of your bad choices then you are infringing on my freedom.

My personal opinion (for adult use, kids have no privileges):

Illegality should be weighted on social harm and level of physical addictiveness.  Physical addictiveness  undermines the ability of an adult to exercise unfettered free-will at a biological level.

If we took that logical approach, lets re-evaluate:

Summary Table
Substance                    Physically Addictive?   Evidence Level        Notes
Tobacco (nicotine)   ✅ Yes   Strong, decades of neurochemical and clinical data   High relapse rate
Alcohol   ✅ Yes   Strong, clinically defined withdrawal & tolerance   Medically dangerous withdrawal
Sugar   ⚠️ Not proven   Weak, mostly behavioral or animal-based   Habit-forming but not true physical addiction

Summary Table
Substance   Physically Addictive?   Psychological Dependence   Withdrawal Severity   Notes
Cannabis (THC)   ⚠️ Mild   Moderate   Mild to moderate   Dependence possible with chronic use
Psilocybin   🚫 No   Very low   None   Non-addictive; potential anti-addiction properties

Seems to me a logical approach if you want to tell adults what to do for their own good would be:

Tobacco and alcohol should just be flat out illegal.  Put on the same schedule as fentanyl.  No tolerance.  Black helicopters.  Ninja suited raids with machine guns.  The works.

Cannabis, Psilocybin, and sugar should be legal for adult use in the privacy of ones own home.

Or alternatively, all substances are an adults choice to possess and consume, what you make illegal are the behaviors.

If I'm drunk or stoned in public and creating disorder, jail.
If I'm drunk or stones while driving, jail.
If I'm drunk or stoned flying and airplane, jail.
If I'm drunk or stoned while at work, fired.

You make adults bad behavior illegal, not plants that were placed on this earth to grow naturally.

[AKIron]

If only we could outlaw stupidity.

[CptTrips]

Massive death rates from sugar?

Metabolic syndrome.
Type II and Type III Diabetes.
Fatty liver.
etc, etc, etc.

[CptTrips]

If only we could outlaw stupidity.

If you do, I'm investing in private prisons. We won't have enough capacity.   

But careful what you wish for.   

Who decides?

Some people think people who wear certain color caps are "stupid". 
Some people think people who are parts of bronze-age middle-eastern religious cults are "stupid".

And frankly, society needs a spectrum of intelligence levels and ambitions.
Would a society of all nuclear physicist level Napoleon\Khan Noonien Singh  work? 
Who would pump the septic tanks?  Who would hump a 50lb ruck in jungle heat carrying a M-60 for minimum wage?  A neuro-sugeon?

On the other-hand do you want Bart from your softball team doing brain surgery on your daughter after he "did he own research" on the internet? 

[AKIron]

Who decides?

Me of course.

[Meatwad]

Here is a start, anyone who copies the fads seen on tick tock

[CptTrips]

Here is a start, anyone who copies the fads seen on tick tock

We can work together on that.  I think we can get consensus.

 

[Shuffler]

I prefer this use of my tax money. I do not want it wasted on folks who choose to take illegal drugs and then expect me to save them from themselves.
Make better choices.

[CptTrips]

I prefer this use of my tax money. I do not want it wasted on folks who choose to take illegal drugs and then expect me to save them from themselves.
Make better choices.

I prefer my tax dollars to go to Argentina.