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Re: AI in a box
« Reply #90 on: December 17, 2025, 12:40:10 PM »
IT guys will hate it. ;)

Nonsense. End users are idiots.
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Re: AI in a box
« Reply #91 on: December 22, 2025, 03:51:37 PM »
IT guys will hate it. ;)

Not really. AI is not AI, for many it's just a the next evolutionary step in google search. The information it is presenting you isn't 'learned' in the true AI sense, it is already out there - it is just doing a better job of finding it and presenting it to you.

It's also worth noting it does not necessarily validate any of the information it finds, I often see errors in suggestions or advise it gives (particularly in relation to firewalls). This also means it lags in it's information, that is 'AI' does not know how to do something until someone documents it and publishes it in a place where AI can scrape and index it. So if a firewall vendor requires you to login to access documents, faq's and community boards then the AI will be oblivious to that source of information.

I am dealing with systems were the vendors documentation team cannot keep up with the development teams releases. So we are seeing features coming out that are not formerly documented for months (many of which relate to AI security ironically).

In short I find AI quite useless for technical information on modern enterprise IT systems.

What I do find AI quite useful for is documentation. Take for example or risk or threat assessments like Microsofts STRIDE threat assessment format. I can throw all the information required (essentially do a brain dump) at an AI and it will form a draft document, it will still need a bit of tweaking but it cuts the time for me down from a days work to an hour or twos.

The first thing 'IT guys' hate about AI is the information users will feed into it. If they take personal or sensitive (or classified data) depending on which AI they are using and how it is setup there is a high probability this data will be used for other users queries and potentially exposed. It represents a huge data leak risk.

The second thing 'IT guys' hate about AI is the results need someone to check and validate them. And a lot of users are unaware of this.


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Re: AI in a box
« Reply #92 on: December 23, 2025, 07:57:37 AM »
I find it interesting that it communicates with you like it's your best friend...

I  think it would be better if it was more life like...

Responses like .."Are you that fing stupid?.."

I think the financial bubble it's creating will have a bigger impact initially than what jobs it will steal from humans..that'll be the 2nd gut punch from the 1,2 punch otw..

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Re: AI in a box
« Reply #93 on: December 23, 2025, 08:07:07 AM »
The difference between the housing bubble of '08 and an AI bubble today is significant. Don't imagine they are the same. People who could not afford the loans were given them then regardless. When they defaulted investors but more importantly tax payers were left holding the bag. Today investors are footing the bill for AI development but to a lessor degree than before. Tax payers will not be saddled with the bill should everyone in the world decide AI isn't the panacea once thought. AI development is a bubble more likely to deflate slowly than simply pop. IMO.   
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Re: AI in a box
« Reply #94 on: December 23, 2025, 08:34:01 AM »
I find it interesting that it communicates with you like it's your best friend...

I  think it would be better if it was more life like...

Responses like .."Are you that fing stupid?.."

Try adding Persona\Instruction clauses to you prompts if that bothers you:

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1. Set System-Level "Anti-Sycophancy" Instructions
Most major AI platforms allow you to set Custom Instructions or Claude Projects to establish a permanent behavioral baseline.
Request Criticality: Explicitly tell the AI: "Prioritize accuracy over agreeableness. If you think I am wrong or overlooking something, say so directly".
Prohibit Social Niceties: Instruction like "Skip all social acknowledgments like 'I understand' or 'That's a great point'" forces the AI into a more objective tone.
Enforce Neutrality: Direct it to "Provide accurate information even when it contradicts my stated beliefs".
2. Use Neutral Prompting (No "Hinting")
AI models are highly sensitive to "leading" questions. If you ask, "Don't you think [X] is the best approach?", the AI will likely agree.
Avoid leading language: Instead of asking for confirmation, ask for a balanced view: "Evaluate the pros and cons of [X] objectively".
Omit your opinion: Don't tell the AI what you think until after it has given its first response.
3. Assign Contrarian Personas
Forcing the AI to inhabit a specific role that is naturally critical can break its "helpful assistant" filter.
Examples: "Act as a skeptical venture capitalist," "a notoriously critical professor," or "a devil's advocate looking for flaws in my logic".
Red Teaming: Ask the AI to "Identify the strongest arguments against the position I just stated".
4. Manage History and Customization
AI with "memory" can learn your preferences over time, which may unintentionally reinforce sycophancy.
Use Temporary Chats: For critical feedback, use "Temporary Chat" (ChatGPT) or start a "New Chat" frequently to prevent the model from tailoring its answers to your perceived ego.
Turn off Personalization: Disabling memory or customization features can result in more "fresh," objective interactions.
5. Multi-Step Critical Analysis
Instead of asking for a single response, force the model through a critical process.
The "Draft-Diagnosis-Refine" Loop: Ask for an initial draft, then immediately ask it to "Identify three weaknesses in the draft you just wrote".
Chain-of-Thought Criticism: Instruct the model to "List the potential negative consequences of this idea before suggesting improvements".


You can just add clauses like that as a preamble paragraph to you actual user prompt(your ask).
 

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Re: AI in a box
« Reply #95 on: December 23, 2025, 01:54:28 PM »
I think the financial bubble it's creating will have a bigger impact initially than what jobs it will steal from humans..that'll be the 2nd gut punch from the 1,2 punch otw..

You need to apply the gartner hype lifecycle to it.



The question is are we about to hit the peak of inflated expectations or are we already in the trough?

All the gear powering AI right now is going to be paid for at some stage as well.

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« Reply #96 on: December 24, 2025, 09:14:23 AM »
Why are the Hyper-Scalers spending crazy amounts of money building out way beyond their current revenue?

1.  Anthropic CEO stated they have on the books demand they cannot supply.  With no further innovation, if they just doubled their capacity they will double their revenue.  It's not a projection.  It's already back-ordered demand.  They just need more chips and the facilities to house them and they can print money.

2.  There is a finite supply of GPU currently.  In the early 90's MS used to hire up every big thinker and thought leader they could.  If they didn't have a product for them, they would just stick them in research.  They did this so they could have them when needed, and more importantly to deny that intellectual resource toa potential competitor.  They'd rather have them off doing research for them rather than coming up with a competing product for an adversary.  Even if the Hyper-Scalers lock the GPU they are buying in a vault and don't use them, they are denying a startup competitor from getting access to the core resource needed to compete in AI.  Compute. So cornering the market of chip availability is smart anti competitive tactic and the big players with big money can do that.

3.  https://youtube.com/shorts/09TJOXmMBTM?si=L0S9PNQ2gAppR0MD  All the AI chips come from Taiwan.  When China goes for Taiwan in '27 it will take YEARS to replace that capacity in the West.  Anyone already holding GPU will be like bars of gold.

4.  They know the current AI design just gets smarter with more chips.  Even without more advanced algorithms, they can just get smarter with brute force by applying more chips.  There may be no limit to chip demand and production may always lag demand.  Chips may be cheaper now than they ever will be as AI demand keeps exploding exponentially while supply stays fixed or craters.  Buying chips now, might be getting a bargain even if you have to buy them on credit.


Pushing against this is the Chinese.
They can't make the chips themselves.  They look at Taiwan and lick their chops.  I don't think they will wait past 2027.

By their calculus, they either capture those facilities intact and enslave the engineers to work for them and become the Saudi Arabia of AI chips, or they destroy the facilities and prevent the West from reaching ASI before them, because whoever does first rules the world.

 The Chinese have been the main leaders in LLM Compression. 

The current Frontier model LLMs are MASSIVE and take insane amounts of compute to host and traverse.  That's why they need so many chips and so much power and have a problem with excess heat. 

However, a significant portion of that data is pure garbage.  The estimates vary.  The Chinese have been taking that first generation LLM and stealing from it (the 1st gen just stole content from the internet)  and further compress it with fancy algo's and lots of cheap Chinese training labor.  That would allow them to compete with much less compute that they could get away with buying on the black market. Hence DeepSeek.

Ironically they are doing the AI industry a favor. That is the approach small startups will need to take against giant Hyper-scalers who have limitless funding.  Startups will never will a chip war against OpenAI and Google.

We just cant let the Chinese get to AGI or ASI first.  Not unless you want to bend a knee and kneel to Xi.







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Re: AI in a box
« Reply #97 on: December 24, 2025, 09:24:33 AM »
Unless something changes fundamentally I do not believe we will allow China to conquer Taiwan militarily with their semiconductor manufacturing capability intact. At least not in the next few years.
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« Reply #98 on: December 24, 2025, 09:29:06 AM »
Unless something changes fundamentally I do not believe we will allow China to conquer Taiwan militarily with their semiconductor manufacturing capability intact. At least not in the next few years.

That won't stop them from trying. 
They'll just level it if they think they can't be successful.

And I'm not sure that in the current climate, that the usual suspects wouldn't be clamoring for us not to get involved in affairs outside our hemisphere.  I give it a 60% chance we wouldn't be willing to spill blood to prevent  a Chinese invasion of Taiwan.  We'll apply some sanctions and complain loudly.

 

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« Reply #99 on: December 24, 2025, 09:34:09 AM »
I think we'll level it before allowing China to take it. If not the US then someone else will. I think China is more likely to continue in developing their own capability with technology bought or stolen.
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« Reply #100 on: December 24, 2025, 09:40:27 AM »
Not going to be able to power all these new ai facilities when this country wont build new power plants. Solar and wind is not going to cover it.
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« Reply #101 on: December 24, 2025, 09:52:28 AM »
Not going to be able to power all these new ai facilities when this country wont build new power plants. Solar and wind is not going to cover it.

Neither will coal.

A well designed power grid needs multiple sources for redundancy.

BTW, China plans to run their AI on solar.  They have been installing solar at gigantic scale. 

They haven't joined Green-Peace.  They know when they jump off on Taiwan they are going to get embargoed and they have few other local resources.

Here, Sodium-Cooled Fast Reactors or SFRs are probably going to have to be a key component in our grid to provide the extra juice.



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« Reply #102 on: December 24, 2025, 10:00:28 AM »
Any overt military action by China against Taiwan will little doubt see China completely cut off from trade with South Korea. Memory is essential for AI. Any invasion of South Korea will be met by the full force of the US military.
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« Reply #103 on: December 24, 2025, 10:03:38 AM »
Any overt military action by China against Taiwan will little doubt see China completely cut off from trade with South Korea. Memory is essential for AI. Any invasion of South Korea will be met by the full force of the US military.

They may not care about South Korea.  Taiwan is much lower fruit to pick.

Worst case, their invasion can make sure nobody gets to AGI\ASI.

They'll see that as the next best goal apart from them getting there first.

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« Reply #104 on: December 24, 2025, 10:04:25 AM »
Neither will coal.

A well designed power grid needs multiple sources for redundancy.

BTW, China plans to run their AI on solar.  They have been installing solar at gigantic scale. 

They haven't joined Green-Peace.  They know when they jump off on Taiwan they are going to get embargoed and they have few other local resources.

Here, Sodium-Cooled Fast Reactors or SFRs are probably going to have to be a key component in our grid to provide the extra juice.

Im all for nuclear power, but the environmentalists will crap their pants at the mere mention of a new plant being built
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