curious what people think?

[Animl-AW]

What do these other sims like IL-2 sell? Basically scenarios that run nonstop. You can buy this campaign or that campaign. They are using what we call scenarios eternally. We change, they don’t. But its their selling point, besides graphics.  Our events change, theirs don’t. Grasping Korea is desperate to keep it fresh. I don’t see it becoming a big seller. They are out of ideas or out of touch to choose Korea. Plus most of what they run is what Russia was involved. Thats pretty narrow, IMO. I predict a flight of sorts, they same campaigns are aging.

DCS is a “study sim”, how to manage controls, its not meant for what we do, totally duffetent beast.

WT to me is easier and better graphics, immersion into wwii just isn’t there, besides the prop planes used. Its a game, I’ll never call it a sim.

[Eagler]

I don't believe 2 sides would be lopsided...are we all 13 year old children..

If it did side balance would have to be implemented as the game would depend on even numbers..

You can't start a fight if there's not an enemy upping..killing dar and aa is not my thing but resort to it when that is all there is...

To be in the action between 8 and 9 one had to switch to either bish or rook...one of the TWO sides that had any action..I have done that and have switched to be the only upper against the lonely knights...

We don't really know what 2 sides would bring as it hasn't been done..but I am a realist and know it isn't going to happen here as development to that level left the building long ago..

Eagler

[The Fugitive]

I don't believe 2 sides would be lopsided...are we all 13 year old children..

If it did side balance would have to be implemented as the game would depend on even numbers..

You can't start a fight if there's not an enemy upping..killing dar and aa is not my thing but resort to it when that is all there is...

To be in the action between 8 and 9 one had to switch to either bish or rook...one of the TWO sides that had any action..I have done that and have switched to be the only upper against the lonely knights...

We don't really know what 2 sides would bring as it hasn't been done..but I am a realist and know it isn't going to happen here as development to that level left the building long ago..

Eagler

Yes we are all 13 year olds!!! Just tune 200 if you doubt it! How often do you hear players complain about ENY when all they have to do is fly a different plane, or switch sides. LOL!!!

[fudgums]

- Useless name calling? It was your post that said it lmao

- 1 night per week has non event decent numbers? Right.

- you have still not defined action? Tell me what attracts new players to the current MA? What makes the current state of the MA enjoyable. I could be wrong, but most nights have no action. 

- you continue to say just people who like to fly fighters just complain about action. Truly incapable of understanding that people want a fight. Like I explained above but have no capabilities of comprehending that.

- true, some events have died, just like the MA is dead. More events, you can bring more people to the game or atleast give them the option. How can you honestly say paying 15$ for 3 frames a month of FSO then have to experience the current state of the MA. You like it right now because it’s the only experience that YOU like(hence the Is and Mes). When it is clearly obvious that the population doesn’t like it as the game continues to dwindle population. If people thought the MA was worth 15$ a month, there would be more people but clearly there’s not. Except on nights of events..shocker.

- why is everytime that someone posts a new idea or a new event, you come in and bash it? It’s gotten old, it happens everytime. Jaeger and other the other CMs do this with a massive time commitment. Why not be supportive? Why not come out to different events and support it, or atleast try it. Do you fly FSO? Been to a MNM or tank night?  Either evolve or watch things die off.

- Tides raise all boats. Events help the MA and get people to stay. Maybe be more supportive of events and participate more, and you’ll get more into the MA on non event days.

[DmonSlyr]

IMO, events need to be on the weekend between 3pm -7pm est. This way, it doesn't impede the evening build up. It would also allow European players to have time to play, and it ends early enough for players to jump into the MA for prime time between 8-10. FSO should stay the same time given its history.

I also recommended being able to change the special events name on the clipboard (to select arenas) so that players who log into the game know what event is playing. So many times you see special events with #s in there, but no earthly idea whats going on in there.

MOTA was actually great for the game. It boosted #s by 50-80 players in the MA for a bit. However, the decision to bring YKW back severally ran off those additional #s and completely ruined that build up in the trailing year.

IMO, I don't necessarily think its more or less special events thats needed, though I do wish for Combat Challenge to come back, I think there needs to be more emphasis on running missions in the MA. Doing your own special event inside the MA. Right now there is just no direction. And the hugest problem I see is the far attack flights, where as you spend 10 minutes in Jabo flying and getting alt to a field, only to die quickly or insta blow up before getting bombs out. That comes as a long amount of time to fly back and try it over and over. You arent going to get the ADHD crowd that way. What point is there to fly into 6 defenders who just rolled after I spent 10 minutes to get there knowing that only 1 friendly rolled behind me who will take 5-10 minutes to get there and ill either end up ganged or have to fly at 25k to avoid the gang. The issue is team work and flight distance to fields. If there is no back base thats near usually it just ends up a gang by the attack squad since no one can roll to defend in time. The lack of defense is also an issue. Why roll if my team has 10 player attacking and the other team doesnt bother to defend because all of their players are fighting the other team. It needs a balance. To artificially fix this. Players need to create missions in the game and attempt to direct traffic better. I understand how hard that is, but setting up the mission actually works and I think that is what the MA is really needing, direction. 

[The Fugitive]

- Useless name calling? It was your post that said it lmao

I didnt say anything about "lame" you did. The "I" and "Me" is because I am making the post, its how the english language works

- 1 night per week has non event decent numbers? Right.

Correct, it is one of the few nights a week that we have a shot at good numbers. That is why Id hate to see an event run on Saturday nights.

- you have still not defined action? Tell me what attracts new players to the current MA? What makes the current state of the MA enjoyable. I could be wrong, but most nights have no action.

GV head to head battles some times they are even involved in base capture missions, Fighters trying to cap a field either for defense of for a capture mission. Bomber groups WF towns or dropping hangers. 

- you continue to say just people who like to fly fighters just complain about action. Truly incapable of understanding that people want a fight. Like I explained above but have no capabilities of comprehending that.

Eagler pointed out he doesnt like to attack fields, he only goes for fights where players are upping. This is the type of "fighter" action Im talking about. If you guys dont see any uppers, there is no fight. Well a few of us will get together and go to one of these bases and bomb the crap out of radar and the town, and guess what happens more often than not? We get uppers and then a fight ensues. I understand what people like, I also understand how to make it happen.

- true, some events have died, just like the MA is dead. More events, you can bring more people to the game or atleast give them the option. How can you honestly say paying 15$ for 3 frames a month of FSO then have to experience the current state of the MA. You like it right now because it’s the only experience that YOU like(hence the Is and Mes). When it is clearly obvious that the population doesn’t like it as the game continues to dwindle population. If people thought the MA was worth 15$ a month, there would be more people but clearly there’s not. Except on nights of events..shocker.

Again I have no problem with events, I would just hate to see them on Saturday night. Numbers are low and events pull a percentage of players from the MA....which is fine, but to kill the numbers on the only night that still gets good numbers in the MA will hurt the game more than help it. You are correct, I dont like events. They are too slow, long and drawn out to be fun for me. I dont get a lot of time to play so I play in the MA where I can get action in minutes. 

- why is everytime that someone posts a new idea or a new event, you come in and bash it? It’s gotten old, it happens everytime. Jaeger and other the other CMs do this with a massive time commitment. Why not be supportive? Why not come out to different events and support it, or atleast try it. Do you fly FSO? Been to a MNM or tank night?  Either evolve or watch things die off.

Please go back and post EVERY post where I have bashed any event. AGAIN! I have no problem with events, new or old as I KNOW many players enjoy them. The OP asked "curious what people think" and mine thought was "I hope they dont do this on Saturdays Nights". Thats it. No I havent done FSO as they are too late, and we still have family night here at my house even though my youngest is 38. No I dont do MnM as I dont enjoy being picked or picking. I prefer to fight closer to one on one. I have done a number of Scenarios both here and in Air Warriors and as I said above they are too long and drawn out.

As for watching things die off.... LOL!!! I have a help page I maintain with a ton of information about the game and game play. I brought back "Gonzos" plane comparison page after "flash" was done away with killing it. I got permission from Hitech to start and run the Aces High Discord page to try and get the "name" out there more. I have a couple dozen YouTube videos about the game both entertaining wise as well as training wise. After the holidays I hope to get back to my 1 video a week schedule I was doing. These video I post on a number of sites when ever I post another one. I have a very good "pass through" percentage meaning that when people view videos that some what relate to anything WWII my videos pop up in there suggestion list on the youtube page getting people who DONT play the game to see it. I have spent hours upon hours helping people getting started in the game, be it technical or game play. If I dont have the answer I find one or I point them to someone who might have the answer, and yes even about events which I also post sign ups, scores and screen shots on the Discord page. I most likely spend more time helping and promoting this game than I do play it.

- Tides raise all boats. Events help the MA and get people to stay. Maybe be more supportive of events and participate more, and you’ll get more into the MA on non event days.

I very much doubt this. What did "Animal" say, 60-80 more players for "Masters of the Air", they didnt even stay for the "Battle of Britain". Events a re good for what they are, but Id bet if you got the numbers up in the MA youd get more numbers in the events than the other way around. Were are talking two side of the same coin here. I just think that having an event on a Saturday night would hurt the game more than help it.

[Animl-AW]

$15 for an event?

Not many would go extreme as me to make MotA when I was still working.

I blocked off 4 days from work. Meaning they couldn’t even call me to persuade me. Chances ate I would have been called for at least 3 of those 4 days.

Point being, i gave up s chance to make $3k-$4k to do it.

Yup, player will literally take a 1 mo sub to attend one, if it arraigned in a way they can do it, like start time.

I do agree it would be helpful to be able to change the special events arena title while an event is running. It just makes sense.

[Animl-AW]

This isn’t a convo to get personal about.

We’re at a place where we need to have wider thoughts on events verses MA. It doesn’t have to be -vs- we need a compromise that works, because this summer doesn’t look cherry at this repeat pace. Everyone needs to compromise.

2 country convo has no place, its s useless distraction because no natter how many wasted words it is not happening. You gave AvA use it if its so in demand, prove it before our time in real answers is wasted in a fraction crowd unachievable pipe dream.

Subject is event times

[icepac]

If you want a good fight, go where the other two countries are fighting each other.   

Your icon will be red to everyone there.

[AKKuya]

If you want a good fight, go where the other two countries are fighting each other.   

Your icon will be red to everyone there.

 

[Eagler]

Eagler pointed out he doesnt like to attack fields, he only goes for fights where players are upping. This is the type of "fighter" action Im talking about. If you guys dont see any uppers, there is no fight. Well a few of us will get together and go to one of these bases and bomb the crap out of radar and the town, and guess what happens more often than not? We get uppers and then a fight ensues. I understand what people like, I also understand how to make it happen.

You read where I attack dar and guns trying to get an upper...

I stink at a2g so I stick to a2a mostly..

Nothing got anyone up or anything going last night during my hour...

Knights were all over a basically empty base ..gv's don't count for me..

Thoughts of bailing and trying the other two sims swim through the noggin..

Eagler

[Dadtallica]

Everyone was crunching the rooks last night. We had full sector dar bars on both sides for a couple hours in prime time.

Why not do a quarterly event in the MA?

[Animl-AW]

For all the planning and work that goes into events its not practical to make them run in a day or night time that yields less numbers for them. The MA is auto pilot and no time or work wasted. Its being asked that event work gets wasted over the MA wanting all the numbers. Thats just not right to make a special event get scraps. They supersede the MA, like a special on tv.ever see a tv special run Monday morning or at midnight? No, they get part of prime time.

Events have been considerate towards the MA but ya can’t ask them not to get a weekend night.

Its asking too much when the MA already has 5-6 nights to itself. The MA does not dominate over events, you’re just gonna have to roll with it. They are going to get 1 of 3 weekend nights. Sharing is caring. At keast they ask what time is best.

Now lets decide which time it best.

Byw, so fat 3 week nights in s row this week had 120-125

[AKKuya]

This thread has seen the vocal minority against any new Special Event.  That doesn't mean others are against this idea.

Try it and see.  It's better to try and fail, then not try at all.

[captain1ma]

New players leave because the MA is not fun. Numbers keep dwindling down if we keep doing this same thing.

so how about a newbie event. Early war planes and vehicles only?