Getting a lil tired of the late war easy modes in the MA

[DmonSlyr]

Per the subject title. Its just... (sigh) getting old for me I guess. With the #s how they are now at like 50 when I play, constantly having to duck 3 yak3s and a tempest/190D with 5 people chasing you down from 19k. Its really just becoming tedious.

Why do we have to gang 1 guy with 5 Uber late war planes? Why are we pushing for more players to get into super Uber rides so they can fly with the same garbage boring tactics? Its a cause an effect.

Don't you all realize this is running players out of the game?

Like if you are getting 20 kills in a Tempest a sortie, its time to graduate into a mid war plane, for the good of the game and fights. No one like dodging tempest with super E and cannons. No one likes being BnZed relentlessly by 190Ds so the rest of the team can gang them in Yak3s. Im honestly freaking tired of fighting the rooks with their Yak3s, tempest, N1Ks, all with super E so you don't have a chance unless you have good vet back up support. And the damn bish dont even fight the knits hardly anymore. Every time I log in, its the same rooks in the same ole easy modes chasing everyone out of the game. Who wants to spend 15 minutes climbing out to get jumped every damn time by desperados in easy modes and then they can press X and run with crazy roll rates once you grab their 6 and they think they are soo good because they are in super planes.

My flying time has been severely limited. Just hard to want to spend 15 minutes  climbing out for this type of action where my team isnt defending and I have to face 8 yak3s if I want to "enjoy" a fight.

End rant.

[fudgums]

late war plane goes brrrr

[CptTrips]

My flying time has been severely limited. Just hard to want to spend 15 minutes  climbing out for this type of action where my team isnt defending and I have to face 8 yak3s if I want to "enjoy" a fight.

End rant.

What is your proposed remedy?  Perks?

Could the transit time to action be part of the reason people fly faster planes?

If you were successful in reducing the number of fast planes, wouldn't you just make gameplay on the current maps slower? 

Would new maps be needed to support more slow planes?

[Eagler]

I have asked for experience players to fly mid war but it doesn't help..

All for maps to limit planeset by map..if not for anything else but variety..

Eagler

[DmonSlyr]

What is your proposed remedy?  Perks?

Could the transit time to action be part of the reason people fly faster planes?

If you were successful in reducing the number of fast planes, wouldn't you just make gameplay on the current maps slower? 

Would new maps be needed to support more slow planes?

Perks should be spent whether you live or die. All super late war planes need atleast a 5 perk cost. The Tempest should be double the cost of a 262. Fields should be at most 12k distance. 18-25 miles is just too far. The slower the planes, the faster the gameplay. It creates better more balanced furballs. The faster the plane, the less turn n burn style you see which equals more chasing, more running, and more snoozefest, hence why they decided they needed lock on missiles as the time progressed.

I also just think its the players, too scared to try any plane that might be a challenge and thus make the game more fun for other players, espcially those who arent as skilled.

[Lazerr]

Im them a fair amount because ill usually be flying underneath these mobs.  The quick roll rate on the spit16 makes it great for killing these folks on the overshoot.  Can't explain why the guys on the other ends of these fights are screaming around in tempest and yaks just waiting for folks to engage before they commit to even fly my direction.

[CptTrips]

Perks should be spent whether you live or die. All super late war planes need atleast a 5 perk cost. The Tempest should be double the cost of a 262. Fields should be at most 12k distance. 18-25 miles is just too far. The slower the planes, the faster the gameplay. It creates better more balanced furballs. The faster the plane, the less turn n burn style you see which equals more chasing, more running, and more snoozefest, hence why they decided they needed lock on missiles as the time progressed.

I also just think its the players, too scared to try any plane that might be a challenge and thus make the game more fun for other players, espcially those who arent as skilled.

As you said, if people flew slower planes on the current map it just takes too long to get to a fight.  Longer than if they they flew a fast plane.  Therefore, with the current maps you would be net slowing the gameplay by moving to slower planes.  Transit time increases.  More transit time means less fighting time.

[hazmatt]

I also just think its the players, too scared to try any plane that might be a challenge and thus make the game more fun for other players, espcially those who arent as skilled.

I think this has been an ongoing thing that appears to be getting worse. I noticed this when I was still playing. I switched to he D9 to compensate for the other fast planes and found that when I did manage to chase some of these guys down that they weren't very skilled once caught.

[DmonSlyr]

As you said, if people flew slower planes on the current map it just takes too long to get to a fight.  Longer than if they they flew a fast plane.  Therefore, with the current maps you would be net slowing the gameplay by moving to slower planes.  Transit time increases.  More transit time means less fighting time.

Yeah when I first started in the MA in 2006 or so, I flew the 190D because it seemed like I could get to the action faster since the fields were so much further than the H2H arena, plus it had 500 cannons for spray n pray. Then after I learned ACM and 1v1 tactics and really how to fly in the MA, I realized how "too good" these planes were in BnZ and overall speed. And I realized that most dont fight in them, so its just a plane to use to escape your weaknesses and press X when someone gets your 6. Then it just creates a chain reaction of more players needing these planes to "chase the others down". And I realized overall they just arent fun to fight against so people just leave.

However, its kind of a misnomer since slightly slower planes dont take that much more time to get to the fight, and since they cant just press X and run, it opens the door for noobs to get more kills and makes the furballs more fun since people are turning rather than pressing X and running.

[The Fugitive]

Adding a perk for these guys isnt going to help. Most of the guys flying them have thousands upon thousands of perks. Resetting the perks each month/quarter/semi annually those combined might help.

5 guys in uber planes gang a lone guy because kills are hard to come by. 5-10 kills a sortie wasnt tough to do in the old days as we had good numbers. Today your lucky if you spot 5 guys a sortie and 3 of them will run away unless they are at 20k+

Most of these guys who fly the temps/yaks/190s are not all that good. Their egos couldnt handle flying a mid-war plane and dying or not getting half a dozen kills per sortie. Personally Im not very weary of high fighters, but a low mid-war plane scares the heck out of me.

For a lot of these guys they either want a good score, or want to land big numbers. In it for the challenge? Nope, not a chance.

As for flight time, In most planes it takes less than 5 minutes to get to 10k, less than that to cover a sector. That is barely enough time to get a drink or snack let alone go pee! Of course if you feel the need to climb to 20K+ I can see why you might complain. 

[hazmatt]

...but a low mid-war plane scares the heck out of me.

Too funny! I find this to be true in most of the games I play. I'm far more wary of some guy tooling around on the deck then somebody at 20k. I've found that they're very used to being bounced and there's a good chance they will break and reverse quickly and shoot you as you go by of pull back into the vert. My tactic for dealing with these guys is to dump all my E which I think surprises them and gives me the element of surprise, at least for a few seconds.  It makes for more interesting fights either way.

[CptTrips]

But to be fair, it really just the remnants of what used to be the Late-War arena after Early War and Mid-War were shut down.

Aren't you really just asking for the mid-war arena to be recommissioned?

[Spikes]

when I did manage to chase some of these guys down that they weren't very skilled once caught.

Well of course not. All of the once great dogfighters are now gone.

[hazmatt]

Aren't you really just asking for the mid-war arena to be recommissioned?

As someone who spent a bunch of time in those arenas, I don't think this would help. When they were around from what I've seen the players that are left are like you said:"remnants of the late war arena" I doubt with the current player numbers that you would ever get more then a couple in there as most of the late war B&Z groupies wouldn't have any interest. The only way I see that might get something like that going again is with some F2A angle.

[hazmatt]

Well of course not. All of the once great dogfighters are now gone.

Was that sarcasm?

I think there's at least a few decent sticks still left. I think they're just the exception instead rule. I remember having good fights with TheStig, Yucca, Lazer, Violator,  Hollywd, Joker, Lilmak and others I can't think of at the moment.