My new plan on HOTAS. What do you think?

[AKIron]

Remember buying a CH Flightstick Pro in early 90's I think it was. It was great. Times they are a changin'.

[Eagler]

So this is a decent stick?

https://ea.winctrl.com/mobileview/goods-details.html?id=557

Seems to have a ton of buttons...price is reasonable..

Is it heavy like a warthog or light plastic like the tm1600?

Eagler

[Randy1]

Ok, what is it about them that makes you refer to CH as Junk?

My last set was far more than a decade old, and my memories were nothing more than fantastic with them.

CH was bought by Logitech a few years ago.  You had the original CH stuff before Logitech buy out.

[Spikes]

CH was bought by APEM in 2008. I don't believe they actively produce flight sim stuff anymore.

Saitek was bought by Logitech.

[Shuffler]

CH was bought out and they quit making controls for individuals. CH controllers are all 8 bit.

[Morpheus]

 SO IT SEEMS that there currently is no HOTAS that is worth a SH. Light plastic twist stick...

Here's another question for you guys. Is there a Thrustmaster stick that doesn't have a twist stick?

And I'd like to keep my new stick at $100.00. FYI

[Morpheus]

I THINK I FOUND ONE!
https://www.amazon.com/Windows-PC-10-8-7-Vista/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?crid=EJ7ILI0O2NX2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.VhGAGFQy0dCEvaRiOLg6J0PeQBo9hfjITJ3bmaR5CKhi9TLT7Gl7k0rvLSAvPK54rjMU9ZMRmzbwQ017nuukTTEv7215g51aCSMZl8dVaaGSppj6kCBPkpmXQqzNLtSYirMnoZNtyiFvVeNmmnEgdd-pbP5-rUC-R2xpoDI0wA3w5FGvW1iM944Afmja7qhGSnqxMRkRR_109bVSQPs3mAPKfj3Z0e0eZWV8qvg-7K0.fwGZiiKALugUXXmWVBwDEvV9PimNVe3Hv3BzxMwYn9c&dib_tag=se&keywords=Thrustmaster%2BT.16000M%2BStick%2Band%2BThrottle%2BPack&qid=1769550638&sprefix=thrustmaster%2Bt.16000m%2Bstick%2Band%2Bthrottle%2Bpack%2Caps%2C263&sr=8-1&th=1

[Spikes]

There are plenty of HOTAS setups that are fantastic and reasonably priced, as well as some higher priced ones like Virpil and higher-end VKBs.

Unfortunately, there isn't a huge low to mid range market anymore and the T16000M is probably the only HOTAS under $150. Logitech is commanding, in my opinion, too high a price since for not much more VKB is leaps and bounds better.

[Eagler]

I THINK I FOUND ONE!
https://www.amazon.com/Windows-PC-10-8-7-Vista/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?crid=EJ7ILI0O2NX2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.VhGAGFQy0dCEvaRiOLg6J0PeQBo9hfjITJ3bmaR5CKhi9TLT7Gl7k0rvLSAvPK54rjMU9ZMRmzbwQ017nuukTTEv7215g51aCSMZl8dVaaGSppj6kCBPkpmXQqzNLtSYirMnoZNtyiFvVeNmmnEgdd-pbP5-rUC-R2xpoDI0wA3w5FGvW1iM944Afmja7qhGSnqxMRkRR_109bVSQPs3mAPKfj3Z0e0eZWV8qvg-7K0.fwGZiiKALugUXXmWVBwDEvV9PimNVe3Hv3BzxMwYn9c&dib_tag=se&keywords=Thrustmaster%2BT.16000M%2BStick%2Band%2BThrottle%2BPack&qid=1769550638&sprefix=thrustmaster%2Bt.16000m%2Bstick%2Band%2Bthrottle%2Bpack%2Caps%2C263&sr=8-1&th=1

That's the lowest price I have seen on that combo..$119

You can add pedals to it down the road if the twisty stick doesn't do it for you..

Eagler

[Morpheus]

OK here's a good question to you pros...
Is there any new stick that DOES NOT TWIST that won't fall apart from it's cheap POS plastic trash make... Doesn't cost $150.00-$200.00 out there in this world today?

[Animl-AW]

OK here's a good question to you pros...
Is there any new stick that DOES NOT TWIST that won't fall apart from it's cheap POS plastic trash make... Doesn't cost $150.00-$200.00 out there in this world today?

TM is known to break. Haven’t heard that about others.

[Eagler]

OK here's a good question to you pros...
Is there any new stick that DOES NOT TWIST that won't fall apart from it's cheap POS plastic trash make... Doesn't cost $150.00-$200.00 out there in this world today?

I think in that price range your gear will be plastic..

https://ea.winctrl.com/mobileview/goods-details.html?id=557 that looks similar to the tm1600 and you can lock the twisty but do you have pedals if you do..

I have used the tm1600 combo but need more buttons on the jstick so I use a warthog for that..

There's a mod on yt to help with the throttle if it gets sticky but my latest one doesn't have that issue.

I don't yank and jerk my hotas around so I might not be the best on its toughness

Good luck with your decision

Eagler

[AKIron]

Virpil has plastic handles but they feel solid. You aren't going to break or bend them. More importantly the gimbals are not plastic.

You can use a Warthog grip with this Virpil base but I don't. I would lose buttons and axes.

https://virpil-controls.us.com/vpc-mongoost-50cm3-base.html

[hazmatt]

I think in that price range your gear will be plastic..

https://ea.winctrl.com/mobileview/goods-details.html?id=557 that looks similar to the tm1600 and you can lock the twisty but do you have pedals if you do..

I have used the tm1600 combo but need more buttons on the jstick so I use a warthog for that..

There's a mod on yt to help with the throttle if it gets sticky but my latest one doesn't have that issue.

I don't yank and jerk my hotas around so I might not be the best on its toughness

Good luck with your decision

Eagler

I have used the Winwing URSA MINOR and the tm16000 and in my opinion this one (the Winwing URSA MINOR  linked in the quote above) is much better. It is much more precise and does feel cheap like the TM to me. I've had one going on 2 years now with no issues. Like Eagler said, I'm not hard on my stuff either so I can only just from my usage.

[Eagler]

Virpil has plastic handles but they feel solid. You aren't going to break or bend them. More importantly the gimbals are not plastic.

You can use a Warthog grip with this Virpil base but I don't. I would lose buttons and axes.

https://virpil-controls.us.com/vpc-mongoost-50cm3-base.html

Wow $314 just for the base puts it out of my price range...

Eagler