$120 a barrel

[Eagler]

What evidence/facts do you have that states Iran launched them besides the starters of the war telling you that they did...

It didn't make any sense for them to drone attack those that didn't attack them first...

The fog of war will hide such details...

Do you think Israel is above such actions...

When are the Iranians going to take to the streets and make Iran great again..it was all about their freedom wasn't it..

Eagler

[CptTrips]

Rabbidrabbit..I think Israel launched drones at the countries Iran was blamed for within hours of the start of this disaster...

Anything is possible in this hot mess.

However Iran attacking the GCC doesn't shock me.

Sun Tzu says you have to understand your enemy as yourself.

From their eyes, what they see, is a bunch of Arab Sunni enemies orchestrating a sneak attack on their Shia Persian nation and assassination of their national\religious leaders, using the tools of their pet Zionists and it's Great Satan lap dog.  Think Pearl Harbor Attack time 1000.  How did we react?

These aren't their friendly neighbors.  They don't have BBQs.    IF this goes further they will attack their enemies desalination plants and 80% of their populations would have to evacuate of die of thirst.

Iran only gets 2% of it's water from desalination.

[Eagler]

https://youtube.com/shorts/K6E61gvTiaw?si=FmFge8d2nrDy6NzT

Sorry it's CNN not Foxnews   

Eagler

[AKIron]

Thinking you aren't influenced by others is ignorant. Of course we all are. Look at the big picture. Iran has a thugish government that took power 47 years ago, oppressed it's citizens, and inflicted terror on the region all this time. The threats of death to America while avidly pursuing development of nuclear weapons were not idle threats.

Doesn't really matter what you believe in regards to this though. The Islamic Republic is done.

[CptTrips]

Thinking you aren't influenced by others is ignorant. Of course we all are. Look at the big picture. Iran has a thugish government that took power 47 years ago, oppressed it's citizens, and inflicted terror on the region all this time. The threats of death to America while avidly pursuing development of nuclear weapons were not idle threats.

Doesn't really matter what you believe in regards to this though. The Islamic Republic is done.

Aren't they still in power right now?

You make a strong argument for action though.

Given that GOP controls both houses and only needs a simple majority, sounds like an easy slam-dunk to get a Congressional Authorization of Force.

If you can't even convince your own party, maybe you need to pause and self-reflect.


The reason he didn't, is because he thinks he is a King, and he didn't want to explain his plan to lift sanctions on Putin.

[rabbidrabbit]

What evidence/facts do you have that states Iran launched them besides the starters of the war telling you that they did...

It didn't make any sense for them to drone attack those that didn't attack them first...

The fog of war will hide such details...

Do you think Israel is above such actions...

When are the Iranians going to take to the streets and make Iran great again..it was all about their freedom wasn't it..

Eagler

You keep getting wrapped up in the conspiracy circle and then declaring your conspiracy circle is the actual truth.

How about we take a moment to acknowledge the known facts and work from there.

There is tons of evidence that Iran has and uses these drones.  Can we agree that this is true?

 

[AKIron]

Aren't they still in power right now?

If by power you mean cowering in the dark promising to murder any fellow citizens if they oppose you then yes. Still "in power". More like powerless really though and they know it's only a matter of time. Surrender for them really isn't an option. Kill 40,000 of your people and they will not be forgiving when the guns change hands.

[CptTrips]

If by power you mean cowering in the dark promising to murder any fellow citizens if they oppose you then yes. Still "in power". More like powerless really though and they know it's only a matter of time. Surrender for them really isn't an option. Kill 40,000 of your people and they will not be forgiving when the guns change hands.

How many major cities has the Resistance captured?

They're in power enough to close the Strait apparently.

[AKIron]

I don't think anyone is controlling any cities right now. The streets aren't safe for anyone yet. The rulers and soldiers of the Islamic Republic only hope of surviving is making a deal with the US that protects them somehow from their own angry citizens. Deportation is the only way I think. There's a lot going on we aren't privy to. Wait and see. You have no other choice. Well, besides screaming at the sky.

[Eagler]

You keep getting wrapped up in the conspiracy circle and then declaring your conspiracy circle is the actual truth.

How about we take a moment to acknowledge the known facts and work form there.

There is tons of evidence that Iran has and uses these drones.  Can we agree that this is true?

Yes that is true..Russia has used them too...per the video so has the US..

I don't get wrapped up in conspiracies as many seem to pop up after I have already run through that particular thought process...

I am just expressing my thoughts on this subject like any other on this board...

Seems some agree while others don't depending on what perceived side I seem to be on per a specific comment...

I stated previously..I don't have a side except for what is decent and honest..which is harder to find on either side these days..

Praying for an end to this and all wars sooner than later without cheering for additional death and destruction regardless what side it's happening to an any particular moment...

Eagler

[CptTrips]

I don't think anyone is controlling any cities right now. The streets aren't safe for anyone yet. The rulers and soldiers of the Islamic Republic only hope of surviving is making a deal with the US that protects them somehow from their own angry citizens. Deportation is the only way I think. There's a lot going on we aren't privy to. Wait and see. You have no other choice. Well, besides screaming at the sky.

Didn't we think the same thing about Saddam after GW1?

Didn't it take troops to finally go in there and pull him out of a Spider-Hole?  12 years later.

This time is different?

[AKIron]

I would expect the Iranians will deal with the Islamic Republic even more harshly than did Europeans with Germans.

Pretty good documentary:

The Savage Peace.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5267658/

[rabbidrabbit]

Yes that is true..Russia has used them too...per the video so has the US..

I stated previously..I don't have a side except for what is decent and honest..which is harder to find on either side these days..

Eagler

In the wild wild west of the internet all narratives get pushed and that sure makes it harder to define who/what is decent and honest.  We certainly agree there.  The only way to not get sucked into the suck fest is to use critical thought to process all information and from there consider the probability and relevance of the argument.

I think that if you did that objectively in this case, you would end up with the probability of Israel getting away with attacking their neighbors with Iranian drones is really close to zero.  Maybe not zero but really close.  The probability of Iran using Iranian drones to attack their neighbors is really close to 1.  Thus the probability of the Iranian claim being accurate is extremely low but not impossible.

[CptTrips]

I would expect the Iranians will deal with the Islamic Republic even more harshly than did Europeans with Germans.

Did you expect the Iraqi people to overthrow Saddam after GW1?


Spoiler Alert:  Never happened.
Extremely unlikely you can replace the regime with something that just isn't even worse (which is apparently what we did), with just air power.

Every day some Mullah down in a hidden bunker is releasing videos showing the regime is still in power and giving the finger to YKW, the more desperate he is going to get to save face as the mid-term barrels down on him like the freight-train of inevitability.

My guess is a 50\50 toss up.

He will throw up his hands and say he already won, and just leave the mess he created for the rest of the world to clean up (and leaving the Iranian people in an even worse condition), or he will panic and commit troops and we get 20 year nation-building Forever-War.

[AKIron]

Did you expect the Iraqi people to overthrow Saddam after GW1?

Are you suggesting Iraq of 1991 was the same as Iran today? Did millions of Iraqis march in the streets and did Saddam slaughter 40,000 in a few days?