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Northco Has Got To Goco… Not Another Anti Big Map Post!
« on: March 29, 2026, 09:18:02 PM »
This has nothing to do with big maps. I like them and I cannot lie! Some of them are very well put together and a lot of fun. I’m one of those kind of players that will often set a course for adventure and return 20 minutes later to see where I am. [cue Love Boat Theme Music]

Not just Northco needs attention, but any map that has dead empty space in the middle. This includes if it only has the standard three base trifecta of whatever combo. Usually geared towards ground vehicles and that’s fine by me, but in these open space instances it’s not conducive to the current counts. We all know our numbers do not support that capacity of space anymore. We’ve discussed some of these type of maps in a couple other recent in threads. Map sizes do not need to change so to speak, rather instead, we need to better foster the opportunities where there is an easy opportunity for all three countries to be more frequently involved.

To be perfectly clear I do not want to reduce the number of maps or countries. That’s also counter productive in context. Right now we need all the variety we can get. So hopefully these maps will get a dead empty middle space redux one day.

Devolving into two countries will not solve these problems either. The maps need to have more opportunity for all three countries to be involved and or less opportunity for one country to dominate.

I am not skilled enough to know what is possible, but I would like to see more maps made or updated with ribbon patterns or strings of bases instead of the traditional pie chart design. There are some maps where this happens naturally when even if two countries own all the bases in the given area, it’s still easy to get to them from a third country. NDIsles is a good example of this ribbon style although well spread out. The middle itself is often well traveled, but could also benefit from a few more tweaks as others than mentioned. I like the idea of having the outside bases being uncapturable. Perhaps even more challenging, not the island bases, but the surrounding closest airbases on the islands to the main island could be on capable. They are usually near a Strat. I still think ND is a good example of large space handled in a better manner for all three countries. There are others I would love to hear who else feels what type of maps fit into this category too. Baltic and its sister Scandi are some of my original favorites that do foster this as well although the Baltic map itself is subject to hoarding.

Alas I will defer to the skill of our wonderful cartographers on whether the ribbon style I’m describing is even possible. I did have GPT work out some scenarios on the North America map if anyone’s interested.

That map would be a great way to continue to foster three country interaction with some tweaking. In my opinion, it has too many bases and perhaps could be a good candidate for the ribbon style I’ve mentioned if even possible. If it’s not, I’m sure the map makers will find clever ways to do the same. But of course, my opinion is based on, feeling not a dynamic knowledge of map making intricacies.

I am set to retire in about 15 years +/- we shall see lol. When those days do finally gloriously arrive and I do have that kind of time, I plan to devote a chunk of it to map making in this game… if it’s still exists. I suppose it will always exist offline but I don’t want to just make the maps for me my dog.

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Re: Northco Has Got To Goco… Not Another Anti Big Map Post!
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2026, 10:39:07 PM »
The map had different intensions. It may just not be a low numbers map.

We have a new map bottleneck. 3 in line.
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Re: Northco Has Got To Goco… Not Another Anti Big Map Post!
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2026, 06:51:44 AM »
Not sure what you mean by "opportunity for all three countries to be more frequently involved".  All three fighting at the same base?


The center fields on Northco are available for a three-country fight, as are the Vbases -- but there doesn't seem to be much interest.
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Re: Northco Has Got To Goco… Not Another Anti Big Map Post!
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2026, 07:04:55 AM »
Excellent write up Dad!! Very well thought out and presented.

We have a number of maps that have the "open center" (donut) layout, which generally enhances the naval side of combat. The maps Grinder, SFMA2016 and 3points all have center naval areas.

IMO the down side to this pattern, is the limited Front exposure at the 2 country interface. I believe Crater does an excellent job of balancing the Front exposure and Naval options in a "ring" layout, as opposed to a "donut" layout.  :salute
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Re: Northco Has Got To Goco… Not Another Anti Big Map Post!
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2026, 09:21:30 AM »
Not sure what you mean by "opportunity for all three countries to be more frequently involved".  All three fighting at the same base?


The center fields on Northco are available for a three-country fight, as are the Vbases -- but there doesn't seem to be much interest.

Just mean there is an increased opportunity that all three countries can interact without much travel. That is why I pointed out there needs to be a better combo than just one or the other in a trifecta setting with nothing else around it for several sectors. NDIsles middl is a good example.
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Re: Northco Has Got To Goco… Not Another Anti Big Map Post!
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2026, 09:23:18 AM »
Excellent write up Dad!! Very well thought out and presented.

We have a number of maps that have the "open center" (donut) layout, which generally enhances the naval side of combat. The maps Grinder, SFMA2016 and 3points all have center naval areas.

IMO the down side to this pattern, is the limited Front exposure at the 2 country interface. I believe Crater does an excellent job of balancing the Front exposure and Naval options in a "ring" layout, as opposed to a "donut" layout.  :salute

Thanks!

Yes Crater and ND are good templates for map centers.
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Re: Northco Has Got To Goco… Not Another Anti Big Map Post!
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2026, 10:59:40 AM »
Thanks!

Yes Crater and ND are good templates for map centers.

Crater has too many underused (useless)  gv bases in the middle. They rarely get much action.  Could enable some planes at them... or swapout with small airfields.

Also, if you aren't aware, there's a Tank Town area on Northco located in the SE corner of the map with spawns in from rear field bases.
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Re: Northco Has Got To Goco… Not Another Anti Big Map Post!
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2026, 11:13:00 AM »
Crater has too many underused (useless)  gv bases in the middle. They rarely get much action.  Could enable some planes at them... or swapout with small airfields.

Also, if you aren't aware, there's a Tank Town area on Northco located in the SE corner of the map with spawns in from rear field bases.

Yeah crater is a bit jumbled in spots.

Note sure I knew about the TT you mentioned. I don’t think it take towns are gonna cut it anymore with the lower numbers. They’ll need airbases around them.
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Re: Northco Has Got To Goco… Not Another Anti Big Map Post!
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2026, 03:08:15 PM »
Time to action is the bottom line for sure.  Cannot be too short or too long. 

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Re: Northco Has Got To Goco… Not Another Anti Big Map Post!
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2026, 04:51:29 PM »
My experience is that it is impossible to predict how a map will "play".  I just give players some options and they either use them or don't.

I'd be happy to modify maps based on experience, but HT seems to have other priorities for now.
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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2026, 11:47:27 AM »
Finally had a three-sided fight on the center island of Crags.  Maybe it will be the start of a trend.    :D
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Re: Northco Has Got To Goco… Not Another Anti Big Map Post!
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2026, 11:05:02 PM »
You think NDIsles2 is ok but want to see NorthCo go??? Dude you not even a 2 deminsional player. You are just an outspoken mediocre player who doesnt contribute anything to the war except filling in your enemies body count. Much like the outspoken players who quit you continue to advocate for things that do not promote what makes this game great.

Do love the copy cat trend you are on though...  :ahand

There is so much more wrong wirh NDIsles2 than NorthCo. You can pick apart everything you want. NorthCo is here to stay :aok
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Re: Northco Has Got To Goco… Not Another Anti Big Map Post!
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2026, 09:31:54 AM »
You think NDIsles2 is ok but want to see NorthCo go??? Dude you not even a 2 deminsional player. You are just an outspoken mediocre player who doesnt contribute anything to the war except filling in your enemies body count. Much like the outspoken players who quit you continue to advocate for things that do not promote what makes this game great.

Do love the copy cat trend you are on though...  :ahand

There is so much more wrong wirh NDIsles2 than NorthCo. You can pick apart everything you want. NorthCo is here to stay :aok

I’m not sure what personality we’re talking to today but comparing those two maps would be like comparing apples and wrenches. Northco is too big with fiat empty space in the middle. ND is a better representation of space. No map is perfect.

Not sure what the rest of your word salad was about.
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Re: Northco Has Got To Goco… Not Another Anti Big Map Post!
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2026, 11:28:30 AM »
I’m not sure what personality we’re talking to today but comparing those two maps would be like comparing apples and wrenches. Northco is too big with fiat empty space in the middle. ND is a better representation of space. No map is perfect.

Not sure what the rest of your word salad was about.

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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2026, 12:40:47 PM »
Wow, can't  you all just let an opinion stand! If you don't agree with it, okay. But don't stoop to name calling or personal attacks.  :headscratch:  :bolt:
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