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Re: Curious..
« Reply #105 on: August 22, 2026, 11:05:58 AM »
Article in pcgamer had me check it out and dropped into the beta but went back to fighter ace as the planes looked like just dots compared to fa..

Changes to fa sent me back here since..

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« Reply #106 on: August 22, 2026, 12:22:28 PM »
It's cool to be able to see stats cause the ranking can be so easily gamed. I remember guys that would have one or two fighter missions and one or two bomber missions and one or two gv missions for the whole camp and would come up in the top ten ranking for both bombers and fighters and maybe top 20 for gvs.

They would get a bomber and bomb towns, rearm, bomb more towns until they had a massive score and maybe do one base capture with a c47. For the fighter score they would do something like up a f4uc from a cv that was near an enemy base that was about to be captured and vulch to get their fighter rank up. For the gv stats they would take a rocket tank and destroy a town.

Those three things with no deaths could really boost your ranking enough that you could just fly attack the whole camp and you'd end up with a really good ranking.


You will almost never get into top 10 in fighter rank with only 1 or 2 sorties, because you can't rack up enough score points.

Example:
I just ran the numbers for tour 316 with a hypothetical fighter pilot flying two very good sorties with 5 kills each.
K/D= 5, rank 19
K/S= 5, rank 2
K/H= 15, rank 5
arbitrarily chosen a (very good) hit % of 12 for a rank of 18
10 kills give about 1300 score points on average, rank 338

That pilot would have ended up rank 30 in fighters. The lack score points would drag him down


What's correct is that it doesn't take absolute stellar performance for getting a good overall rank. Here it's more about checking off all the boxes. Of course getting to the top there still needs a lot of skills, it's not something anybody could just chose to do.
Remember, there are many different sets of skills in AH. The ability to fly a plane perfectly on the edge of performance is just one of them. And which of these "really" count is often very subjective.
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Re: Curious..
« Reply #107 on: August 22, 2026, 12:49:17 PM »
I'm not so sure those numbers work out in real life that way because I know I could get into the top 50 overall rank easily with just a couple fighter sorties where I got good k/d (vulching) and only fired point blank (good hit percentage) and never died. It had nothing to do with dogfighting skill to do that. I do know that if you got killed once or twice it would drastically change the numbers.

I'm not here to argue numbers with you. I'm just stating what I've seen in general with a rusty memory and like I said, it's nice to actually see the stats instead of the rankings because the rankings can be manipulated.

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« Reply #108 on: August 22, 2026, 02:14:42 PM »
I'm not so sure those numbers work out in real life that way because I know I could get into the top 50 overall rank easily with just a couple fighter sorties where I got good k/d (vulching) and only fired point blank (good hit percentage) and never died. It had nothing to do with dogfighting skill to do that. I do know that if you got killed once or twice it would drastically change the numbers.


I am, not quite sure what you meant by "real life". The numbers I gave were calculated with the actual, real tour scores of tour 316. It's neigh impossible to get top 10 with only one or two sorties. Yes, getting into top 50 is very possible, (see my fictional example who would have gotten into the top 40) but not top 10.

The only practical way I see this being done would be two Me 262 sorties during prime time and being lucky to find enough bombers to get like 6-9 bomber kills in each (The MK 108 shooting at bombers boosts your kill points farming)

As for dying: That's an overestimated effect. Despite what's often being claimed, "protecting score" by trying the utmost not to die ain't really a thing. If the pilot in my previous example had died in both sorties, his rank would only have dropped from #30 to #34. Pilots who fly very 'timid' often suffer from lower k/h, which more than offsets any potential gain of rank from a high k/d. You quickly get diminishing returns from that.
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« Reply #109 on: August 22, 2026, 02:18:47 PM »

I am, not quite sure what you meant by "real life". The numbers I gave were calculated with the actual, real tour scores of tour 316. It's neigh impossible to get top 10 with only one or two sorties. Yes, getting into top 50 is very possible, (see my fictional example who would have gotten into the top 40) but not top 10.

The only practical way I see this being done would be two Me 262 sorties during prime time and being lucky to find enough bombers to get like 6-9 bomber kills in each (The MK 108 shooting at bombers boosts your kill points farming)

As for dying: That's an overestimated effect. Despite what's often being claimed, "protecting score" by trying the utmost not to die ain't really a thing. If the pilot in my previous example had died in both sorties, his rank would only have dropped from #30 to #34. Pilots who fly very 'timid' often suffer from lower k/h, which more than offsets any potential gain of rank from a high k/d. You quickly get diminishing returns from that.

I have always thought timid flying wasn't always to do with score, and it's interesting to see if it was, it's from a misunderstanding of its impact.  I think most people that fly to live do it because they don't like to get killed, simple as that.

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« Reply #110 on: August 22, 2026, 03:08:07 PM »
I think most people that fly to live do it because they don't like to get killed, simple as that.

That's always been my interpretation of the behavior.
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Re: Curious..
« Reply #111 on: August 22, 2026, 03:45:43 PM »
I have always thought timid flying wasn't always to do with score, and it's interesting to see if it was, it's from a misunderstanding of its impact.  I think most people that fly to live do it because they don't like to get killed, simple as that.

Wiley.

That's my understanding as well. It's always just been a slur (someone is protecting his score) by those who don't know how those things work.

Me having a high k/d and a relatively weak k/h never had something to do with getting a high rank. I just did not like to die, and I often liked to stuff that's not particularly good for k/h (for example prowling for ultra high bombers or flying escort)
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« Reply #112 on: August 22, 2026, 04:11:55 PM »

You will almost never get into top 10 in fighter rank with only 1 or 2 sorties, because you can't rack up enough score points.

Example:
I just ran the numbers for tour 316 with a hypothetical fighter pilot flying two very good sorties with 5 kills each.
K/D= 5, rank 19
K/S= 5, rank 2
K/H= 15, rank 5
arbitrarily chosen a (very good) hit % of 12 for a rank of 18
10 kills give about 1300 score points on average, rank 338

That pilot would have ended up rank 30 in fighters. The lack score points would drag him down


What's correct is that it doesn't take absolute stellar performance for getting a good overall rank. Here it's more about checking off all the boxes. Of course getting to the top there still needs a lot of skills, it's not something anybody could just chose to do.
Remember, there are many different sets of skills in AH. The ability to fly a plane perfectly on the edge of performance is just one of them. And which of these "really" count is often very subjective.
Yes, and I have just the example; I have from 5 sorties in tour 197

Kills per Death + 1        14.00    7
Kills per Sortie                2.80    13
Kills per Hour of Flight      8.64    39
Kills Hit Percentage          16.25    10
Kill Points                    1943.77    621
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« Reply #113 on: August 22, 2026, 04:32:07 PM »
Fighter Rank 47

In tour 316 you would have been fighter rank 22 with those numbers. But we also had 2.7 times more pilots back in tour 197, so no real surprise here.

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« Reply #114 on: August 22, 2026, 05:21:51 PM »
Thats why I always mostly liked the fighter scoring in AH and dont really take the other ranks seriously. In fighters you still have to get the kills but its not about how much time you get to play, but about strategy in having the best balance. I also hate dying. However I realize that dying once in a while, if I have a few kills will increase my K/H and that gives me more score points than losing the K/D. A player can try to game it with 2 or 4 sorties but are bound by the points. Back in the day, it was sometimes very hard to get top ranked because not only were players busting out amazing stats, they played a lot so had many points as well. With less players, its easier to rank higher, but being #1 still takes some measures. That being said, when I see some of these guys in Temps, 262s, and 163s, to pad their fighter scores, I do have to roll my eyes because obviously its easier to get more kills in the easiest fastest best cannon shooters in the game that can run from anything. I love that the ranks start over every month. It gives everyone a chance at a clean slate. Only wish was an ENY counter to limit the easy mode planes and add a tougher dynamic so that players cant iust get #1 by flying the easy moders. A lot of players hide behind attack rank but you can usually tell which planes they chose because some of them are fighter only.

I wish more airncombat games had similar scoring to AH. Most metrics just end once the server changes.  While most dont take it seriously and thats okay. Its still a good measure to see what players are capable of achieving in the current gameplay.

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« Reply #115 on: August 22, 2026, 06:26:36 PM »
Thanks Kruel  :aok

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« Reply #116 on: August 22, 2026, 09:35:36 PM »
One day, everybody will be in the top 40...  :noid

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« Reply #117 on: August 23, 2026, 08:16:41 AM »
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« Reply #118 on: August 23, 2026, 08:18:54 AM »
FA blows, always has, it’s swiss cheese for hackers

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« Reply #119 on: August 23, 2026, 11:32:45 AM »
FA looks awful.
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