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Can someone give me p38 tips?
« on: May 28, 2026, 11:03:32 AM »
When do you hit and retract the flaps, and how many notches?

Best way to get it to flop over at top of loop. What speed can you hold vertical? Do you use max flaps while trying to keep the nose up 90 degrees to either rope or follow someone up?

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Re: Can someone give me p38 tips?
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2026, 12:29:03 PM »
why hasn't anyone answered me yet? It's not like I have all day.

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Re: Can someone give me p38 tips?
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2026, 01:44:05 PM »
Chicks. :rolleyes:   :neener:

How many notches is based on how many you need.  As soon as you don't, retract them.  They are no use once your nose is up, unless you are trying to get someone to overshoot.  I've never been able to do a quick reversal at the top of a loop, but I think a hammerhead would be the move.  You'd have to consult someone that knows how and that ain't me.

You can go straight up at very low speeds (well under 100mph) with WEP, but then you are hanging there like a pinata.  You can end up roping yourself if you don't have an energy advantage.

Keep your plane as light as possible.  Take half a tank of gas and a drop tank, which you dump for combat.
If you are a good shot, take the small ammo load out to save even more weight.

Watch out for over speeding.  At low levels, you can start to lose control around 480mph or so.  At higher altitudes, the margin for error is smaller.  When diving, chop throttle as needed.  It picks up speed quickly.
Set a button on your joystick to trim the elevator up for emergencies.  Another button for combat trim once you recover from your power dive mistake.

Flaps deploy as early as 250mph.  Use that to your advantage, but as mentioned before, retract them as soon as possible.  Keeping your flaps out will help instantaneous turn, but sap energy.  They are best used sparingly.

It can roll pretty well but does not reverse well, due to the 52ft wingspan.   If rolling to the right, you might be better off continuing the roll until facing left. This is on a case by case basis that only experience will teach you.



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Re: Can someone give me p38 tips?
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2026, 02:46:06 PM »
lol. Thanks!

Is it legitimate to keep hitting the flaps until they deploy at whatever speed? Like let them keep lowering if the plane allows it? If trying to turn.

Do you guys ever cut throttle and lower flaps all the way and turn at super low speeds - like 100 mph and just really turn tight?
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Re: Can someone give me p38 tips?
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2026, 02:51:48 PM »
I agree with Snuggie on most of this. The weight difference between the full load and the lite load is negligible so I always take the full load.

When roping or coming over the top slow turn combat trim off by 150 or so. The auto trim seems to get you stuck in the air. With trim off a bit of rudder will spin you around fast enough to be called a cheater  :)

Full fuel works fine but you need to BnZ with it (which it does very well, nice zoom climb) until you get it light, then you can get down and dirty with it.

Roll is increased with good rudder work, but it will never come close to a hog or FW.

Some people think a split throttle setup helps in turns and hammer heads, but "Delirium" (old time 38 jock) tested it a lot and he never saw any real advantage.

lol. Thanks!

Is it legitimate to keep hitting the flaps until they deploy at whatever speed? Like let them keep lowering if the plane allows it? If trying to turn.

Do you guys ever cut throttle and lower flaps all the way and turn at super low speeds - like 100 mph and just really turn tight?

You can keep dropping flaps to get a tighter turn, but its a big cost of E. Flap only as much as you need and get them back up quick. If you get really slow, be sure you have plenty of room to dive and get your speed back or you'll be a sitting duck. The 38 is a big target.

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Re: Can someone give me p38 tips?
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2026, 03:02:34 PM »
Thank you!

I've always wanted to know how people flip a plane over at the top - and it DOES look like cheating because it comes over so fast ( from an outsider's perspective, not while in the plane)

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Re: Can someone give me p38 tips?
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2026, 03:26:43 PM »
Ya, 38 flaps are key. Get them up asap as you come out of the turn. Getting too low and linger to get them back up.

Not all 38 models fly the same.

I set my trim to a 4-way hat to usually work it manually.

Btw, Bolt and 18Whiskey are good 38 jocks, talk to them too. Whiskey loves teaching
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Re: Can someone give me p38 tips?
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2026, 03:37:27 PM »
I've always struggled with the 38, even though it's one of the planes I have always wanted to do well in.
I was told that the flaps don't really help you to flip over top, but are more effective when you are nose down. The rudder is the key. Not only to assist in roll, but also to initiate a snap roll. (Hard rudder kick, with a sharp aileron input in the opposite direction.) You get the snap roll down where you can control where the nose is pointing when you finish the maneuver makes for a dangerous 38.
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Re: Can someone give me p38 tips?
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2026, 04:46:39 PM »
The P38 should be flown high and fast, never below 10k unless dive bombing and then should extend far and  low until regaining atleast 10k. Its a massive target and people love massive targets. You will get dived on all day long.

Always enter the battle area going atleast 350 with alt above 10-15k. You want to be the top alt plane over your enemies or they will most likely dive on you. The P38 doesn't dive faster than 550 so you better be aware of your SA at all times. You also need to learn ACM and evasive maneuvers since most high 190s and everything else are going to dive on you.

Never go straight up. If you are following up an enemy you better be 100% sure theres not an enemy that can dive on you. You are sitting huge target floater. If you are roping someone, if you are going straight up, you are doing it wrong. You should never need to resort to a hammerhead. Instead you should be doing loops. High oval loops are the P38s best friend. You should be doing high loops rather than flat turns. It fights just like a 109. It should be flown quite like a 109. It can't out turn the 109 but its damn close. It can out  loop many planes though. Its flaps are great for turning. The L model has dive flaps which make it turn even better. The thing is, you shouldn't be turning it in the MA unless you are 100% alone. As soon as you start getting low n slow you are a big ole meatball.

The overall goal for the P38 is learning how to E fight with BnZ, while maybe having the opportunity to get into a really good fight once in a while if you are alone. Its strenghts are climbing, high loops, and firepower. Weaknesses are huge target, poor dive, and easy PWs. Stay high and fast and never chase for too long. Always enter the fight with speed and E. Learn defense ACM because youll always get dived on. Never HO because youll always get rammed. Spiral dive over the top of planes rather than dive straight down.

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Re: Can someone give me p38 tips?
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2026, 06:58:53 PM »
I'm taking a nap right now but I'll be up in a little bit flying! I went offline for a little bit today flying the p38 and doing some snap rolls in that thing. It's amazing how fast it can whip around. I'm not sure I'm at a stage where I could be applying that in any useful manner, but I found that if I enter a snap roll very quickly from say a right hand turn it can instantly reverse that turn. So like I'll hit the right rudder and pull back on the elevator to the left and it snaps to the left, then instantly push the stick forward and it stops the roll almost immediately.

Pretty interesting. I'm going to be experimenting with weird things like that just that I can pull out of my hat maybe in the jam.
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Re: Can someone give me p38 tips?
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2026, 11:25:56 PM »
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Look For Bolt he is in a 38 alot,,,, Shuffler the Margarita Man he shows up at times when his Blender is working One of the Greats for the 38,,, then ya have my buddy Jose aka AKAK who we lost a few years ago waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy tooooooo sooon  he taught me how to the fly the Forked tail Devil, Along With Murdr who also is not in the game but still alve tried to get him to come back but he is too busy doing caving adventures , Every now and then ya might see CorkyJr pop in ,,,, butt there is a Group Called S.A.P.P that has alot of P-38 tips but sorry I can't invite ya there so hopefully someone still active can

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Re: Can someone give me p38 tips?
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2026, 11:47:34 PM »
Roll is increased with good rudder work

This is something that I've noticed between average and above average 38 sticks. I've never seen a really good 38 driver that didn't use rudder.

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Re: Can someone give me p38 tips?
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2026, 12:28:36 AM »
Gina

Look For Bolt he is in a 38 alot,,,, Shuffler the Margarita Man he shows up at times when his Blender is working One of the Greats for the 38,,, then ya have my buddy Jose aka AKAK who we lost a few years ago waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy tooooooo sooon  he taught me how to the fly the Forked tail Devil, Along With Murdr who also is not in the game but still alve tried to get him to come back but he is too busy doing caving adventures , Every now and then ya might see CorkyJr pop in ,,,, butt there is a Group Called S.A.P.P that has alot of P-38 tips but sorry I can't invite ya there so hopefully someone still active can

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Re: Can someone give me p38 tips?
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2026, 12:34:28 AM »
When do you hit and retract the flaps, and how many notches?

Best way to get it to flop over at top of loop. What speed can you hold vertical? Do you use max flaps while trying to keep the nose up 90 degrees to either rope or follow someone up?

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2) No one cares or wants to hear if you are flying with or without clothes. Do what you think is best but keep it to yourself for the love of God.

3) Flaps? Wtf are those?

4) Loop? Pull back on the stick until you go vertical and come over the top. Be sure to cut your port engine ONLY as you get to the top of your loop.This ensures a nice smooth transition   from controlled flight to...OMFG!!!!

5) If you end up hitting the ground in a ball of fire then you have accomplished your loop in the Pee-TurdyAte.

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Re: Can someone give me p38 tips?
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2026, 05:55:51 AM »
Here's a great post that's helped me out in learning the P38, it is an old post by Citabria. Also, to be honest...I dont concern my self with surviving too much in the 38, most of the time...you won't. They always come for the 38, unless you come from an advantage...you definitely will not gain it (unless you're some master pilot and have a plan), most of the time they can out-turn, can climb better, and faster than your double engines :rofl :rofl Still my favorite ride  :cheers: This plane is really for masochists now that I think about it  :uhoh

Personally,  I prefer the L for JABO and the G for dogfights(though recently I was recommended the J by Sire)...which is really only best when they underestimate the G and you get some of these late models slow...otherwise, prepare to get your tail blown off as you try to rope them and they climb right into your cockpit. Then once you're slow...well...  :ahand


Citabria's Guide to the P-38L

   

  Airspeed Characteristics

  all speeds are calibrated air speed

  Stall speed power on:
  Flaps up:  +108mph
  Flaps down:  +95mph

  Minimum single engine flight speed:
  150mph

  Maximum dive speed (structural failure):
  550mph

  Minimum loop entry speed (dependant on weight/loading and skill):
  150-180mph

  Best Rate of climb speed(default):
  175mph

  Best Roll rate speed(range):
  250mph-500mph

  Best speed @ altitude:
  414mph @ 25,000 feet

  Maneuvering flaps speed:
  250mph

  Full Flaps speed:
  150mph

  Gear extended structural failure speed:
  200mph

  Take-Off

  Upward elevator trim makes takeoff easier but it's not necessary.  Flaps
  are used at the pilot's discretion.  They do shorten takeoff and obstacle
  clearance distance if deployed 1 or 2 notches after accelerating to
  130mph.  Start the engines either one at a time if you are in a historical
  mood with shift 1 and e then shift 2 and e followed by shift and e to link
  the throttles after startup or simply start both at the same time.

  Takeoff is much easier in the Lightning due to its counter-rotating
  propellers.  It is possible to firewall the throttles of the p-38 with no
  adverse control problems.  After gaining a positive rate of climb after
  liftoff retract the gear and flaps.

  Climbout

  Full throttle with a default climb of 175mph will get you to altitude the
  quickest however a climbspeed of 200mph is a great speed for cruise
  climbing to the target area.

  Cruising

  Takeoff and military:  3000 RPM 54" auto rich 162 gal/hour/engine
  War emergency:  3000 RPM 60" auto rich 160 gal/hour/engine
  Normal rated:  2600 RPM 44" auto rich 115 gal/hour/engine
  Maximum cruise:  2300 RPM 35" auto lean 60 gal/hour/engine

  Cruising will most likely be full throttle in AH though.  The big Lockheed
  Lightning carries with drop tanks up to 710 gallons of gas in Aces High.
   That's 4615 pounds of fuel!  So if you brought the fuel and drop tanks it is
  yours to burn.  I've found a 50% fuel load with a drop tank or two is plenty
  for base defense since you can get rid of 150-300gal of fuel in a jam and still
  have fuel for the fight.  However, when going hunting on a high altitude
  multiple kill sweep sortie I take full fuel and drop tanks.  Fuel loading
  depends simply upon the flying style you use and how much time(fuel)
  bought at the expense of performance you feel you can take and succeed in
  your objectives.

  Fuel Management

  Fuel tanks:  The P-38Ls were issued with 6 fuel tanks, 2 x 93 Gal. Main wing
  tanks on the rear part of the inner wing, 2 x 60 Gal. Reserve tanks on the front
  part of the inner wing, besides the pilot, and 2 x 55 Gal. Outer wing tanks on
  the outer wing leading edges, besides 1 or 2 165 or 300 Gal. Drop tanks.  The
  Flight Manual recommended the following order for conpsumption for those
  tanks:

       1) Reserve tanks for the first 15 minutes of flight
       2) External drop tanks
       3) Outer wing tanks
       4) Main fuel tanks
       5) Reserve tanks


  Managing the fuel tanks can be tricky in the Aces High P-38.  After
  consuming drop tanks, switch to the mains and use them up before using
  the aux tanks.  In Aces High the main tanks each (RM&LM) and Aux
  tanks (LA&RA) are located between the cockpit and the engine nacels in
  the inner wing.  The main tanks are in the rear behind the aux tanks so use
  up the main tanks first by manually selecting them and switching between
  LM & RM to balance fuel.  The outer wing tanks on the real P-38L are
  combined with the main fuel tanks in AH.  Throttling back to save fuel can
  be done in two ways:  cruising down at 35"@2300rpm or turning off one
  engine and leaving the other at full throttle.  I've found flying single engine
  more efficient at stretching fumes back to base than throttling back, in fact
  this was a tactic often used by real Lightning pilots returning on low fuel.

  Generally when you get down to ¼ tank in the LA&RA after emptying the
  mains its best to head home, the last quarter of fuel in the tanks seems to
  disappear much faster than the rest.

  Landing

  Surviving against the odds on a successful sortie to hear the wheels chirp is
  quite satisfying.  The easiest landing for the p-38 is to use a shallow descent
  and full flaps and gear extended at 165mph.  Slow to about 140mph on short
  final slipping the aircraft with rudder to lose altitude if necessary and touch
  down rear wheels first.  Holding the nose up will air brake the P-38 but if
  you hold it up to high you will scrape the tail.  When braking it is more
  effective to pump the brakes than just hold them down if you are running
  out of runway.  Landing with damage and a single engine you should touch
  down at 150mph, any slower and bad things might happen.

  Armament

  Full ammo is my preference because I use up the excess quickly.  If you are
  an excellent shot you might only need the smaller 50cal load which runs out
  same time as cannon, but it goes quite fast.  Usually more ammo is better
  because you can get rid of it quickly.  The P-38L has the best gun platform
  in the game, the guns fire straight all the way out until they drop off.
  However it is possible that vertical convergence could be an issue, so the
  superstitious like me use 300 yards.

  Rockets are an excellent weapon on the P-38L best used at a 45 degree
  dive and 400mph.  On a good day you can take out 5 acks at 2 rockets a
  piece. (Since updated: 1 rocket, 1 ack)

  I always take 1000lb bombs if I take any, they hurt climb and top speed but
  I usually climb to only 10k for bomb and rocket attacks and the 1k bombs
  have a better punch for obvious reasons.

  Performance and Tactics

  The P-38 is the best middle of the pack fighter in AH.  It turn fights the
  faster planes and e fights the better turning slow ones.  The P-38 is best
  used exclusively as an E fighter to capitalize on its excellent vertical
  performance and also since it's large planform size gives the enemy an easy
  shot in a knife fight.

  One rule of the Lightning is flaps.  The P-38L lives and dies by the use of
  flaps and they are vital to maneuvering with the other aircraft in Aces High.
   In turns 2 notches of maneuvering flaps are best for most fights but some
  use full flaps for a momentary gain in angles on really tough fights and when
  squeeking the p38 over the top of an extremely low speed loop.  However
  when not turning it is necessary to reel in the flaps since they slow you
  down a lot.

  The big lockheed twin also has among the most potent superchargers in
  Aces High.  High altitudes of 18 to 25k are where the P-38L rules the sky.

  Initial dive performance of the 12,780lb empty to 21,600lb max load P-38 is
  excellent.  It literally falls out of the sky like a screaming brick, however
  this becomes a problem at higher altitudes as the Lightning quickly
  exceeds 460mph where it begins to experience structural fatigue and finally
  failure at 545 to 550 mph.  Usually both sections of the elevator or both
  ailerons are the first to go if not perfectly trimmed, making recovery
  difficult.

  Roll performance is enhanced by hydraulic assistance but this only helps the
  P38L at faster speeds.  As speed drops below 250mph the roll rate of the
  goes from excellent to average since full deflection of the ailerons has less
  effect at low speed due to the inertia of the twin booms and 52 foot
  wingspan which frankly makes the airplane quite stable.  It is best to use
  rudder to speed an entry into the roll at these slow speeds.  But even with
  rudder assisted roll entry the roll rate at slow speed is a weakness of the
  Lightning in a knife fight.

  One maneuver the P-38L has due to neutral torque is it's ability to pull off
  low speed stalling loops where the Lightning at +150mph has just enough to
  get the nose over the top while throwing in full flaps that it is able to fall
  over the other side of the loop.  This maneuver can in some instances
  reverse the situation completely and put the formerly defensive p-38 on the
  offensive on the torqued out opponent who could not follow.  This tactic is
  most effective on 109g10s, p51s and other aircraft with lots of torque and
  higher stall speeds.  Spitfires and other turn-and-burn aircraft are not
  shaken by this move.

  The P-38 has an excellent initial turn, so it can cash in this card for a
  snapshot on more maneuverable aircraft but if it misses it will be forced
  defensive in most cases.

  The Lightning is truly one of the best fighters of World War II, but it is an
  honest airplane with weaknesses that can be exploited if the lightning pilot
  is not careful.  Although slower than the late war mosters it can still hold its
  own and emerge triumphant in the worst of situations.
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